So true about the friends I had one burn me big time! Little
wonder Jim’s avoiding a lot of people he’s going to get
scolded by so many people for a while. Live and learn Jim.
Ket’rrt to the rescue! That’s going to be the core group’s biggest
downfall, The Catains have friends that KNOW the core’s SOP
and can counter any of their fancy dance tactics. I hate to say
this but I think the war is about to start I pray the Empire is ready!
Plus the captain has no way of knowing what happened on Catia so of
course she’s not going to know about the hunt brother thing, but I’m
sure she’s about to find out! I’d love to see the Shitbat boss right
about now… There’s a new boss in town lady!
Not a good idea to allow a third party to attack
the vessel of a group you just established diplomatic
relations with.
Especially, if they have one of your officers aboard.
The P’tera are the peacekeepers for Xanadu and
Ket’rrt knew they were going to pull this, he’s just
doing the job while protecting his hunt sister’s
interests.
Considering they were seconds away from being a debris field
I’d say she was being diplomatic.
I half expected we were about to see if the upgrades included
shields.
A Canticle for Lebowitz is a post-apocalyptic SyFi novel.
Arcane facts are my specialty, or so I’m told.
I just wondered if anyone else would recognize it.
I got the reference although I didn’t remember Mr (at the time) Liebowitz. On
balance it was over NINE HUNDRED episodes ago. I also remember (vaguely)
reading Miller’s “Canticle”. Been a while, though. You can read the backstory on
the Professor and his wife beginning at TGW-092.
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
if anything like the base scenario described in this series would be
happening in real life I’m pretty sure any of us would find it way less
enjoyable.
And I’m very sure that neither of us would be “prepared enough”
in the long run.
i am not a “survivalist”, or a ‘prepper’ ..
but i have lived thru , tornados (f5), floods,
blizzards, and no utilities for weeks…
so i have planned for… an can live at
least a month comfortably , without..
I’m afraid when it does happen my wife and my father won’t survive it.
I have my doubts about myself as well we’re too dependent on medications
that won’t be available after the real world fall happens. More importantly
we have cows and we’ll spend most of our time defending them.
In my case It’d depend largely on your definition of “survival”.
My immediate family and me would probably be able to just lock ourselves in
and live from stuff like fruit jam and water for at least a few weeks.
But after that? I know a few people who can hunt – but I’m not even
sure if any of them still has a gun.
Even if: what’ll you do if you run out of ammo?
I don’t know anybody who would be able to fabricate a bullet for a modern rifle.
Myself, I might be able to craft me a toy version of bow-and-arrow … or maybe a sling
or a spear. (Ok. Maybe I can teach myself how to lay traps?)
But that’s not even my point.
Eventually, even the world’s preppiest prepper will run out of fuel and ammo.
And then what? Either it’s back to the stone ages, or they’ll need something like
an at least continent wide network of people supporting each other.
(Even making bronze requires minerals you rarely find together in one place.
Iron might be easier in this regard …)
Take modern computers as an example:
The most recent chips by Intel or AMD require highly guarded intellectual property
by some American companies, the only factories capable of actually building them
are in Taiwan – or maybe China; and the ridiculously complicated machines to create
them are built in one small high tech company in Europe.
Losing any of these will result in losing at least a few decades in this field of
tecnology.
In short: if your survival relies on anything that’s considered state of the art tech,
you will only survive if most of modern civilization does too.
You might be able to repair your middle-of-last century car and American civil war
gun with parts you can scavenge for a few decades. And maybe the car can run on
vegetable oil.
(Getting the oil isn’t a no-brainer either, at least to my knowledge)
Not to mention that survival on this level would mean that the Human
population had to drop to pre-industrial numbers at most.
My son, my sister, and her husband are gun collectors (my son insists that
the zombie apocalypse is coming (snicker)) and with the live stock I’m sure they
will make it and I know how to setup a windmill for power at a greatly reduced
amount but between mine and my father heart meds and my wife’s need for
oxygen I don’t give us long.
Eventually the kids will have to make do with what they can build themselves.
So no guns, unless you have a gun smith (and a reliable source of metals and
other stuff needed).
No ammo, unless you can make it yourself (requires metal and chemicals as well
as machines and knowledge).
No machine you can’t repair and REBUILD if needed.
Not even cloths unless you can make the with stuff you can grow yourself.
Anything else means you’ll eventually have to rely on something that just
isn’t there anymore (and if you plan for the worst case, you have to assume that
this means there’s nothing left).
Face it. We all live in a mutually interdependent highly specialized world.
We all use tools and food and spices and cloths that have been made by
more people than we ever will meet in our entire lives.
Even if your car or your gun is made in USA, I’d bet you real money that the
parts come from all around the globe. Not to mention the materials needed
to build them.
Even if you hunt and fish for your own food. And even if you make your own
bread and grow your own veggies.
What about the ropes and knifes? Or the oven in your kitchen?
Sure, Humans can adapt to a much more self-sufficient way of life, but if
you want to do it right you’d have to go all the way – and probably end up with
something like an Indian tribe (and don’t underestimate that, either. Even
something like Mayan civ requires the cooperation of thousands and thousands
of individuals.
no guns = i’m a gunsmith,. no ammo = ammo tech (also make explosives’)
machines = metalsmith/machinist,. cloth = seamstress (made own loom)
tools = blacksmith,. have garden, (did you know that garlic was actually a
medicine),. also can make some meds,, insulin, antibiotics, some heart meds
made ropes, knives, swords, an bows,. also made kiln an forge..
and i make my own alcohol (ales, mead, whiskey, shine, and vodka..)
i am retired.. but i am a jack of all trades. master of none.!
all those you mentioned, i can make or repair,, (except computers)
methane,, run cars on methane.. tho if you want speed,,
run em on moonshine,, (i have two stills..)
They must of ran through the portals fast to get there in time
and ran in stealth when they arrived just for this very reason.
I’m sure once the situation is defused Ket’rrt will tight beam
the Pride and introduce himself and to why he was hiding so
closely. I’m sure the Grasseaters are taking their time in
fear of what boss lady will do and say!
That’s my take as well. Ket’rrt obviously expected the core worlders’ response to
the council’s vote and was lying doggo in preparation. I have no doubt the Pride
could have handled the threat but this way the right people did the shooting.
There’s an issue here too if the pride had defended itself they could of used
it as a treaty violation, if they surrendered they would of tied it up in court
for years while mining the Pride for it’s tech. The core’s mistake is they thought
the P’tera would be on their side in this. Good example of when you pull enough
B.S. even the most loyal employees get sick of it!
I like how those Pteran peacekeepers think and act.
They are very dedicated to the duty they have been tasked with, and accepted.
I haven’t like how most protesters thought and acted since I knocked out a Yippie
that was part of a large group trashing all they could on a street and after slashing
an old Jewish camp survivor’s van rear tire and damaged the paint (his arm had the proper tatoo)
was advancing on me knife in hand and I was right at the front tire, I knocked hm out while
also deflecting the knife The now unconscious one had slashed tires, broke windows and damaged the
paint on several vehicles as i watched the group advancing down the street to where I had just parked
my car to take a pair of shoes to get resoled by the old shoemaker. (all shoes could be resoled back then,
especially a good pair.) The group then came over towards me in a generally hostile manner with complaining
words directed at me. I told them that their behavior was unacceptable. The man whose van they were
vandalizing was a concentration camp survivor, and that anyone else that wanted the same treatment
as this trash received that I will comply. I live here, I told them. This is my neighborhood.
I then told them to pick up their trash and leave. Several picked him and the knife up and carried him away while
continuing down the street. Their vandalizing had stopped for the moment.
Those people helped nothing. They were damaging things and, I am sure, claiming it was for a good cause.
After Vietnam, and also during the recessions, we would hire people that we knew or from high school or the
neighborhood that needed some sort of income. We paid more than minimum wage and having intelligent trustworthy
people do the work improved the product. People were always fee to leave when they happily found better work.
Many went on to school There were future teachers, businessmen, workers, lawyers, and other people that had a
short period of decent manual labor wages when they needed it. We were not a big company, but a respectable
company that they could use as a prior employer that could be listed. We were not demanding except asking them
to do the work correctly, and that was easily within their ability. They were good members of the community.
It seems in both situations depicted and mine with the YIPPIES we were dealing with bullies.
After the incident with YIPPIES was over,
I went into the WW2 German concentration camp survivor’s
small shop and told him what had happened to his old van,
and that I had stopped further damage to the van.
I then dropped off a pair of nice leather shoes to be resoled.
I remember those anti-war riots and the recessions I was a teenager and
there was few if any jobs, many of the people I knew turned to selling drugs
to survive. I was lucky and found a few but they were iffy at best. The worst
one was cleaning a “motel” in downtown Gary I was the only white guy in
several blocks in any direction, it wasn’t fun.
Now we have a time frame.
If the Arctos is back so is the ship they escorted.
It’s safe to assume that there have also been news
from the Fringe Worlds dripping in and now someone
thinks they have a full picture of what is going on.
Hence them trying to seize the Catias’s Pride.
If they got the Catia’s Pride they could mine it
for Data and get a feel for their weaponry. But
more importantly they would cut off Pallas’
escape and communication line.
Ket’rrt may even have been tasked with carrying a dispatch back
to the Core World embassies on Xanadu, which he fully intends
to once the current security situation allows it, but right now
his pesky diplomatic message decoding system is on the fritz
again and it may take a while before it is ready.
Yeah that’s likely but he was mainly for “defence” of the grasseaters and
they screwed up their mission and “put Ket’rrt’s ship in peril” so if he did
do that it’s an excuse to get to Xanadu ASAP. The news of the Empire’s
fleets might change a few minds real quick.
Palas did tell everyone at Xanadu that Catia was a “backward” planet and
they were seeking trade and tech to help them advance. He couldn’t of known
the Core’s reaction to that statement. So long as people help them the time
before the Core figures it all out was enough to get on the council.
So true about the friends I had one burn me big time! Little
wonder Jim’s avoiding a lot of people he’s going to get
scolded by so many people for a while. Live and learn Jim.
Ket’rrt to the rescue! That’s going to be the core group’s biggest
downfall, The Catains have friends that KNOW the core’s SOP
and can counter any of their fancy dance tactics. I hate to say
this but I think the war is about to start I pray the Empire is ready!
Plus the captain has no way of knowing what happened on Catia so of
course she’s not going to know about the hunt brother thing, but I’m
sure she’s about to find out! I’d love to see the Shitbat boss right
about now… There’s a new boss in town lady!
Not a good idea to allow a third party to attack
the vessel of a group you just established diplomatic
relations with.
Especially, if they have one of your officers aboard.
The P’tera are the peacekeepers for Xanadu and
Ket’rrt knew they were going to pull this, he’s just
doing the job while protecting his hunt sister’s
interests.
“Would you care to speculate”
Nice way of saying “What the fog is it up to?”
Considering they were seconds away from being a debris field
I’d say she was being diplomatic.
I half expected we were about to see if the upgrades included
shields.
Lebowitz? There was a Canticle for him.
Dr. Liebowitz first appeared here:
http://thegentlewolf.net/comic/tgw-080/
Well, his hand did…
Pretty sure the .44 mag was bigger than the hand…
A Canticle for Lebowitz is a post-apocalyptic SyFi novel.
Arcane facts are my specialty, or so I’m told.
I just wondered if anyone else would recognize it.
I recognized the title, but it’s been a long time since I read it.
I got the reference although I didn’t remember Mr (at the time) Liebowitz. On
balance it was over NINE HUNDRED episodes ago. I also remember (vaguely)
reading Miller’s “Canticle”. Been a while, though. You can read the backstory on
the Professor and his wife beginning at TGW-092.
Anyone who claims, “I survived The Fall”, ain’t talking about raking leaves.
And soon, I think many of us will be able to claim the same.
if anything like the base scenario described in this series would be
happening in real life I’m pretty sure any of us would find it way less
enjoyable.
And I’m very sure that neither of us would be “prepared enough”
in the long run.
(Sorry for my English)
I meant to say: not a single one of us would enjoy living through a collapse
remotely like the fall.
An that NONE of us would be prepared.
i am not a “survivalist”, or a ‘prepper’ ..
but i have lived thru , tornados (f5), floods,
blizzards, and no utilities for weeks…
so i have planned for… an can live at
least a month comfortably , without..
I’m afraid when it does happen my wife and my father won’t survive it.
I have my doubts about myself as well we’re too dependent on medications
that won’t be available after the real world fall happens. More importantly
we have cows and we’ll spend most of our time defending them.
In my case It’d depend largely on your definition of “survival”.
My immediate family and me would probably be able to just lock ourselves in
and live from stuff like fruit jam and water for at least a few weeks.
But after that? I know a few people who can hunt – but I’m not even
sure if any of them still has a gun.
Even if: what’ll you do if you run out of ammo?
I don’t know anybody who would be able to fabricate a bullet for a modern rifle.
Myself, I might be able to craft me a toy version of bow-and-arrow … or maybe a sling
or a spear. (Ok. Maybe I can teach myself how to lay traps?)
But that’s not even my point.
Eventually, even the world’s preppiest prepper will run out of fuel and ammo.
And then what? Either it’s back to the stone ages, or they’ll need something like
an at least continent wide network of people supporting each other.
(Even making bronze requires minerals you rarely find together in one place.
Iron might be easier in this regard …)
Take modern computers as an example:
The most recent chips by Intel or AMD require highly guarded intellectual property
by some American companies, the only factories capable of actually building them
are in Taiwan – or maybe China; and the ridiculously complicated machines to create
them are built in one small high tech company in Europe.
Losing any of these will result in losing at least a few decades in this field of
tecnology.
In short: if your survival relies on anything that’s considered state of the art tech,
you will only survive if most of modern civilization does too.
You might be able to repair your middle-of-last century car and American civil war
gun with parts you can scavenge for a few decades. And maybe the car can run on
vegetable oil.
(Getting the oil isn’t a no-brainer either, at least to my knowledge)
Not to mention that survival on this level would mean that the Human
population had to drop to pre-industrial numbers at most.
My son, my sister, and her husband are gun collectors (my son insists that
the zombie apocalypse is coming (snicker)) and with the live stock I’m sure they
will make it and I know how to setup a windmill for power at a greatly reduced
amount but between mine and my father heart meds and my wife’s need for
oxygen I don’t give us long.
Eventually the kids will have to make do with what they can build themselves.
So no guns, unless you have a gun smith (and a reliable source of metals and
other stuff needed).
No ammo, unless you can make it yourself (requires metal and chemicals as well
as machines and knowledge).
No machine you can’t repair and REBUILD if needed.
Not even cloths unless you can make the with stuff you can grow yourself.
Anything else means you’ll eventually have to rely on something that just
isn’t there anymore (and if you plan for the worst case, you have to assume that
this means there’s nothing left).
Face it. We all live in a mutually interdependent highly specialized world.
We all use tools and food and spices and cloths that have been made by
more people than we ever will meet in our entire lives.
Even if your car or your gun is made in USA, I’d bet you real money that the
parts come from all around the globe. Not to mention the materials needed
to build them.
Even if you hunt and fish for your own food. And even if you make your own
bread and grow your own veggies.
What about the ropes and knifes? Or the oven in your kitchen?
Sure, Humans can adapt to a much more self-sufficient way of life, but if
you want to do it right you’d have to go all the way – and probably end up with
something like an Indian tribe (and don’t underestimate that, either. Even
something like Mayan civ requires the cooperation of thousands and thousands
of individuals.
no guns = i’m a gunsmith,. no ammo = ammo tech (also make explosives’)
machines = metalsmith/machinist,. cloth = seamstress (made own loom)
tools = blacksmith,. have garden, (did you know that garlic was actually a
medicine),. also can make some meds,, insulin, antibiotics, some heart meds
made ropes, knives, swords, an bows,. also made kiln an forge..
and i make my own alcohol (ales, mead, whiskey, shine, and vodka..)
i am retired.. but i am a jack of all trades. master of none.!
all those you mentioned, i can make or repair,, (except computers)
methane,, run cars on methane.. tho if you want speed,,
run em on moonshine,, (i have two stills..)
All I say to preppers is:
Love, Death & Robots Season 3 Three Robots: Exit Strategies
>“Would you care to speculate”
While it is a goodness to have friends and allies, it is
even better to have been introduced to them :}
They must of ran through the portals fast to get there in time
and ran in stealth when they arrived just for this very reason.
I’m sure once the situation is defused Ket’rrt will tight beam
the Pride and introduce himself and to why he was hiding so
closely. I’m sure the Grasseaters are taking their time in
fear of what boss lady will do and say!
That’s my take as well. Ket’rrt obviously expected the core worlders’ response to
the council’s vote and was lying doggo in preparation. I have no doubt the Pride
could have handled the threat but this way the right people did the shooting.
There’s an issue here too if the pride had defended itself they could of used
it as a treaty violation, if they surrendered they would of tied it up in court
for years while mining the Pride for it’s tech. The core’s mistake is they thought
the P’tera would be on their side in this. Good example of when you pull enough
B.S. even the most loyal employees get sick of it!
I like how those Pteran peacekeepers think and act.
They are very dedicated to the duty they have been tasked with, and accepted.
I haven’t like how most protesters thought and acted since I knocked out a Yippie
that was part of a large group trashing all they could on a street and after slashing
an old Jewish camp survivor’s van rear tire and damaged the paint (his arm had the proper tatoo)
was advancing on me knife in hand and I was right at the front tire, I knocked hm out while
also deflecting the knife The now unconscious one had slashed tires, broke windows and damaged the
paint on several vehicles as i watched the group advancing down the street to where I had just parked
my car to take a pair of shoes to get resoled by the old shoemaker. (all shoes could be resoled back then,
especially a good pair.) The group then came over towards me in a generally hostile manner with complaining
words directed at me. I told them that their behavior was unacceptable. The man whose van they were
vandalizing was a concentration camp survivor, and that anyone else that wanted the same treatment
as this trash received that I will comply. I live here, I told them. This is my neighborhood.
I then told them to pick up their trash and leave. Several picked him and the knife up and carried him away while
continuing down the street. Their vandalizing had stopped for the moment.
Those people helped nothing. They were damaging things and, I am sure, claiming it was for a good cause.
After Vietnam, and also during the recessions, we would hire people that we knew or from high school or the
neighborhood that needed some sort of income. We paid more than minimum wage and having intelligent trustworthy
people do the work improved the product. People were always fee to leave when they happily found better work.
Many went on to school There were future teachers, businessmen, workers, lawyers, and other people that had a
short period of decent manual labor wages when they needed it. We were not a big company, but a respectable
company that they could use as a prior employer that could be listed. We were not demanding except asking them
to do the work correctly, and that was easily within their ability. They were good members of the community.
It seems in both situations depicted and mine with the YIPPIES we were dealing with bullies.
After the incident with YIPPIES was over,
I went into the WW2 German concentration camp survivor’s
small shop and told him what had happened to his old van,
and that I had stopped further damage to the van.
I then dropped off a pair of nice leather shoes to be resoled.
I remember those anti-war riots and the recessions I was a teenager and
there was few if any jobs, many of the people I knew turned to selling drugs
to survive. I was lucky and found a few but they were iffy at best. The worst
one was cleaning a “motel” in downtown Gary I was the only white guy in
several blocks in any direction, it wasn’t fun.
Now we have a time frame.
If the Arctos is back so is the ship they escorted.
It’s safe to assume that there have also been news
from the Fringe Worlds dripping in and now someone
thinks they have a full picture of what is going on.
Hence them trying to seize the Catias’s Pride.
If they got the Catia’s Pride they could mine it
for Data and get a feel for their weaponry. But
more importantly they would cut off Pallas’
escape and communication line.
Ket’rrt told the captain he would escort his ship home.
Clearly he ran back to Xanadu as fast as he could,
Good thing too!
Ket’rrt may even have been tasked with carrying a dispatch back
to the Core World embassies on Xanadu, which he fully intends
to once the current security situation allows it, but right now
his pesky diplomatic message decoding system is on the fritz
again and it may take a while before it is ready.
Yeah that’s likely but he was mainly for “defence” of the grasseaters and
they screwed up their mission and “put Ket’rrt’s ship in peril” so if he did
do that it’s an excuse to get to Xanadu ASAP. The news of the Empire’s
fleets might change a few minds real quick.
Palas did tell everyone at Xanadu that Catia was a “backward” planet and
they were seeking trade and tech to help them advance. He couldn’t of known
the Core’s reaction to that statement. So long as people help them the time
before the Core figures it all out was enough to get on the council.