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TGW-1126

Chapter: Beginnings
Characters: capt harris, capt te'gin, dragonflys, eitha, harvey, her own, kima, marise, sgt squirrel, Teresa
Location: dining room, Teresa's home
└ Tags: force-ful backup, nightmare fuel

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  1. me
    July 25, 2023, 03:27 | # | Reply

    Hmm. Having warships of people you don’t really know yet
    hovering in your sky while you’re negotiating with them.

    Yeah. Surely sound comforting.

    • Jochi
      July 25, 2023, 10:13 | # | Reply

      Well, there is that. Regardless of the locals,
      the Head Alpha coming has only hearsay.

    • Michael
      May 21, 2024, 10:57 | # | Reply

      When you dont have own warships it does not matter for there is fleet above your head or just a small vessel. all that matters is that they want to talk and make a contract. Be careful about the small print, though. Usually states keep to contracts – pacta sunt servanda – contracts have to be followed is the rule for more than 2000 years. When a state breaks contracts it will have most of the others as enemys. Who will trust such a country? Just as russia today. It broke the helsinky act from 1974 about borders in europe, and the contract of 1994 where they acknowledge the existence of ukraine and guarantee the borders of ukraine. And they shit on the contract of 1997 where russia granted all european countries the full sovereignty to make contracts with whom and about whatever they seem fit. As result Finland, neutral since WW II and Sweden, neutral for 200 years aplied to join the north atlantic defense organisation.

  2. Bill Mullins
    July 25, 2023, 05:39 | # | Reply

    Well, today is the big day. I am supposed to get my left eye worked
    on today. Supposed to report @ 0730. With pre-op prep, surgery time
    and approx 1.5 hours post-op I ought to be home around noon. I’ve
    been looking forward for so long but now I’m kind of dreading it.
    Wish me luck, all.

    • me
      July 25, 2023, 05:44 | # | Reply

      Best of lucks to you. Wish you a quick and full recovery, too.

    • Scarsdale
      July 25, 2023, 08:42 | # | Reply

      Good luck Bill, It won’t be too bad, like having
      a hair stuck in your eye all the time for a week
      or so. Just use the drops and don’t rub!

    • rob stanley
      July 25, 2023, 09:35 | # | Reply

      luck

    • Jochi
      July 25, 2023, 10:15 | # | Reply

      Good luck, Bill. You are brave. Next to my heart,
      I dread needing my eyes worked on the most.

    • Bill Mullins
      July 25, 2023, 13:54 | # | Reply

      Okay I came through the procedure without
      incident. Now all I have to do is heal.

      • Scarsdale
        July 25, 2023, 15:06 | # | Reply

        Good to hear! Cool compress helps,
        just limit it to 20 mins.

      • Paul
        July 25, 2023, 20:33 | # | Reply

        Great news.
        Don’t stress your eyes in the sun.
        Dark glasses etc.
        Best wishes.

  3. President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
    July 25, 2023, 06:48 | # | Reply

    The dragonflies range is limited…..
    Have the dragonflies do a “chain” search to extend
    their range and relay their communications.
    Have them form a group of, ohh…..say, three
    (random workable small number to begin with).
    Plus one to stay with Teresa.
    All three *pop* out to the extent of
    their communication range, and search.
    If they find nothing, have one stay there in place,
    and two *pop* out further, and search.
    If they find nothing, one stays, one goes out farther.
    If they find nothing, they all regroup at *base*
    and chain search a different sector.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    • me
      July 25, 2023, 07:53 | # | Reply

      “Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely,
      mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way
      down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.”
      ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

      In other words: several thousand times
      “limited range” might still be too limited.

      (Even Earth alone can be a pretty huge place,
      if you have to search the whole of it)

      • me
        July 25, 2023, 08:29 | # | Reply

        sorry for not word-wrapping (I used cut&paste for the quote)

      • Scarsdale
        July 25, 2023, 08:55 | # | Reply

        You can break up a copy/pasted sentence, it’s links you can’t.
        I’ve forgotten all those lovely rules when HTML is written…
        Sleep better for it too heh. Java was the worst, it was close
        enough to C++ to mess me up back then.

        • me
          July 25, 2023, 12:45 | # | Reply

          Yeah. I know I can.

          Doesn’t help me much, if I’m just too scatterbrained to actually
          DO it, though 😉

          Same thing with spelling. If you notice me spelling something
          in a weird way, like using their instead of there (or even weirded
          typos) – it’s not that I don’t know, it’s just that my way of
          typing English text requires me to “internally monologue” in my
          head… sometimes I type what I “hear” from these monologues,
          not what I meant to say.

          About programming languages:
          Try python. Seriously, do try it. Once you get over the first
          few gotchas it’s really the most fun language I know.

          • Scarsdale
            July 25, 2023, 15:08 | # | Reply

            I’ve heard good things, I’m just getting too old to try and learn it.
            Can’t remember things unless I use it often. Like the CAD design
            programs, I have to keep going back over things if I need a function
            I don’t use often.

            • me
              July 25, 2023, 15:41 | # | Reply

              I started using python like maybe 5 years ago, aged fifty-something.

              As for having to re-read things you don’t need every other day –
              that’s what documentation is for. 😉

              Did I mention that python has a real cute feature for that?

              Every class, every function, every anything usually has a “doc-string”.
              (You’re strongly encouraged to write your own doc-strings for your own
              stuff, too)

              So, if you want to know the parameters of the “max” function, you can
              just type “help(max)”, if you want to know what to with a int object
              you can just type “help(int)” or even “help(1)” in the python interpreter.

              (There’s also excellent online documentation for everything …)

              • Scarsdale
                July 25, 2023, 20:10 | # | Reply

                I have the memory of a gold fish, I was tested several times, and
                can’t remember a single word stated 5 mins earlier 🙁 It’s weird,
                I can remember back when I was 3 and my mother was helping
                me get dressed, but not a small shopping list my wife told me in
                the store parking lot.

                It runs in the family, my mother and grandmother had early-onset
                senility. I had hoped it was just a woman thing. It comes and goes
                though, some days I feel normal and have little trouble.

              • Scarsdale
                July 25, 2023, 20:40 | # | Reply

                It’s why I re-read TGW so much, I’m on my 8th re-read. For some
                strange reason it takes longer each time… not sure why HEH!

                • rob stanley
                  July 25, 2023, 22:36 | # | Reply

                  or.. you could leave it a run on sentence,.
                  and let me break it down…

                  • me
                    July 26, 2023, 00:46 | # | Reply

                    Or that 😉

                    (Thank you very much)

    • Scarsdale
      July 25, 2023, 08:51 | # | Reply

      I’m guessing a missing Legionnaire, Teresa does have a strong
      connection with them. I just hope it’s just dream-induced worry
      and the poor guy isn’t being that badly abused! He could be
      anywhere within 500 square miles (800km). I seriously doubt
      it’d be that far out, but you get the idea.

      • Jochi
        July 25, 2023, 10:20 | # | Reply

        My best guess would be covert recon into the CSA.
        We’ve already seen Sgt Squirrel doing the same
        thing into Waukanda. No (known) reason to do
        Hawaii (yet).

        • Scarsdale
          July 25, 2023, 11:23 | # | Reply

          Could be, there are a lot of players out there that don’t
          play fair or are willing to just talk, they get their jollies
          from hurting people. The size of the country means there
          is space for hundreds of small kingdoms dotted everywhere.
          And most of them go by prison rules, the strongest and
          the meanest rule.

          • me
            July 25, 2023, 15:47 | # | Reply

            Long term cooperation always trumps individual strength.
            That’s why there’s 8 billion humans all over the globe and
            our closest brethren (chimps) are facing extinction.

            (Individually chimps are much stronger than humans, and
            very well suited to solve pretty complex problems. They’re
            utterly unable to cooperate, though)

            • Scarsdale
              July 25, 2023, 20:18 | # | Reply

              The problem after the fall is there are no more major countries left.
              They’ve all broken up into small kingdoms struggling to survive.
              Waukanda was an example of it, the leader was determined by
              who won in a challenge. Not by who was most qualified, or
              intelligent/educated. Jerico was the exception, not the rule…

              • me
                July 26, 2023, 00:27 | # | Reply

                There has to be some kind of global trade/cooperation
                that either survived the fall or has been reestablished.

                Otherwise the Empire would’ve regressed by now.
                Or anybody else without access to space-buddies.

                21th century type technology can not be maintained
                without the cooperation of hundreds of millions of
                people working on it.

                You need folks mining for raw material, you need someone
                to produce the highly specialized parts used everywhere,
                you need the plans and schemata and have to run the
                factories.

                It’s easiest to see with electronics, but the same
                principles apply with “simpler” stuff like weapons
                engines – and even food.

                An example:

                You can not create your favorite type of microwave
                dinner or candy at home in your own kitchen. You can
                create something better and healthier, if you’re willing
                to invest the time, sure – but even then you’d need
                ingredients from places you can’t even name (like
                spices).

                That’s just food. We’ve always been very adaptive and
                inventive when it comes to feeding ourselves. Of course
                we would find alternatives, grow our own cattle and fruit
                and even spices (salt would become a problem again;
                you either live on a coastline or you have to dig the stuff
                out of some mine – or trade it over hundreds of miles).

                The less basic the stuff is we’re trying to build the more
                cooperation is needed to produce it.

                Everybody can build a slingshot from scratch. You need
                some kind of rope or leather strap and a few pebbles.
                The rope might pose a problem – but it’s solvable.

                A simple gun is harder. A missile launcher harder yet.

                But maybe you know people who claim to be able to build
                military-grade equipment “from scratch”.

                Really? Do the dig for like twenty different ores they’d need
                with their own bare hands? Do they melt and extract and
                purify and who-knows-what-else until they have the high
                quality steel and brass and uranium-enriched-whatever
                needed for the gun and the bullets? Do they have the machines
                and tools needed to create the parts and the ammo with the
                level of perfection and reliability that’s needed to fulfill that claim?

                Look around you. Pick one of your possessions at random
                and try to imagine to build it *from scratch* without anybody
                helping you, without using anything that anybody but you
                has produced, without trading for raw materials.

                Without mass production and today’s level of specialization
                nothing we use on a daily basis, nothing we can buy in a
                supermarket, would be possible.

                And that only works because you can produce everything
                in large numbers and because there’s so many people and
                companies and factories specializing on so many different
                things.

                The stone age isn’t that long ago. We’re not really more intelligent
                than the we were then. We have more time on our hands, more
                knowledge.
                And we coordinate better on larger scales.

                THAT is the real difference between 21th century tech and hunting
                and gathering tribes.

                • Scarsdale
                  July 26, 2023, 03:59 | # | Reply

                  Co-operation depends on organization, not the biggest taking all the
                  food for themselves. We are just a step from the stone age, and the
                  fall put most people right back there, looking for the remains of the
                  old world rather than making new.
                  There are some kingdoms that have reached a level of normalcy,
                  some of those have joined the Empire, most are just asking for
                  hand-outs rather than putting in the effort. The majority are
                  raider gangs, cannibals, and scavengers.

                  • me
                    July 26, 2023, 05:05 | # | Reply

                    Small communities couldn’t maintain our current level of
                    technology.

                    Do you personally know someone who could produce a micro
                    chip at a competitive price? An uranium rod? A top shelf
                    military grade bullet?

                    Most of the stuff in our daily life we use without giving it a
                    thought require supply lines spanning the globe. And not just
                    because work in Bangladesh is so much cheaper or the resources
                    are only found in China.

                    Usually someone has the resources, others the refineries and
                    processing plants for the raw materials, others the tools and
                    knowledge to build small, intermediate parts and yet another
                    group knows how to built the final product.

                    Eliminate one stage of the process and the rest doesn’t no the
                    first thing about how to cope without it.

                    You can make do for a while by scavenging/recycling but
                    eventually you’d need an alternative source.

                    (FUN FACT: a few years ago we reached a weird switching point in
                    time: since then, we do have more different types of man-made
                    things than there are biological species on this planet – that’s
                    how complex our current economy/civilization has become)

                    • rob stanley
                      July 26, 2023, 19:24 | #

                      actually yes i could,, except the micro-chip.. but,, i know of 2 possibly
                      3 locals that could if i gave them the parts.. see ALL of those parts were
                      (at one time) were made locally, BUT were out sourced to cheaper suppliers.
                      see you are comparing global prices , when you don’t have access. everything
                      you mentioned was made locally, but had to be out sourced, when you would
                      not pay for the local made,. because it was .01 more expensive..
                      and before you say it (“not just you”) . i know of at least 10 cities that
                      have nerd, dweeb, dork,’s. just like me,. and if they are not killed off in
                      the first wave. then might have a chance..
                      FYI: (personal experience) when i was OTR, Orange Juice; is NOT locally made.
                      i picked up oranges in Florida, drove em to California, then picked up the
                      pulp, then drove that to Georga, to be packaged, then drove the packages back
                      to Florida, to be shipped elsewhere.. how that saved money in the long run,
                      I have no idea..

                    • me
                      July 26, 2023, 23:57 | #

                      No, it’s not just about cheaper sources.

                      I really doubt that you have a local (however expensive)
                      source for copper and tin ores, or zinc or uranium.

                      Or even just salt or pepper.
                      People have been trading stuff like copper, tin, salt, pepper
                      and silk long distance for thousand of years.

                      I really doubt that you know someone you could give
                      uranium ore and has the skill and tools required to turn
                      it into fuel or weapon grade enriched uranium.

                      It’s not just about money. If what we consider a “normal”
                      life requires us to use thousand of little things like knives
                      and lightbulbs and cables and bricks and chairs and
                      toothbrushes …

                      Nobody could built all these by themselves.
                      Our way of life requires extreme specialization.

      • me
        July 25, 2023, 12:47 | # | Reply

        I have a (vague) memory of other dragonfly-aligned people, one of
        whom had a kind of connection to her …. and there was some kind
        of trouble because of that? Is that guy gone missing maybe?

  4. notStanley
    July 25, 2023, 14:12 | # | Reply

    panel 4, did the rendering forget a holster,
    or is that pistol just hanging from a belt loop?

    A fleet of unknown protectors would be somewhat awkward.
    But their (in)actions towards the surface, while patrolling outward,
    can be a good showing of intent.

    • me
      July 25, 2023, 14:46 | # | Reply

      Probably a brand new grav tech link thingy.

      😉

    • Scarsdale
      July 25, 2023, 15:18 | # | Reply

      That, or a belt clip mod stuck into her jeans pocket. Not a good idea!

      It really depends on the Prime Alpha’s feelings, if he’s paranoid,
      then he might insist everyone leave. If not then then it should help
      relieve some of their concerns.

    • Sam
      July 25, 2023, 18:41 | # | Reply

      Panel 4 – and it appears to be a left-eject 1911.

      I’m going with a rendering issue.

      • Scarsdale
        July 25, 2023, 20:35 | # | Reply

        I zoomed in, yeah it’s a glitch in the rendering. I’ve had that
        a few times when I render a CAD file, really frustrating when
        you go to print it and the printer is just making spaghetti, the
        entire lower part is missing etc.

      • rob stanley
        July 25, 2023, 22:48 | # | Reply

        left eject 1911’s already in use..
        now going to look em up..

        found it. TGW-207 3rd panel..

        • Scarsdale
          July 26, 2023, 04:07 | # | Reply

          My son is a lefty, he’s always complaining (understandably) about
          having his brass hit him in the face or chest. He has a few left
          handed guns but really pays extra to get them.
          He just got this really nice shotgun that has 3 mags built in that
          gives him 18 rounds and it’s semi-auto, he always gets a red mark
          on his forehead from it. Wear a welders cap ya dunce! Or at least
          a sock cap. Sorry I don’t remember the brand name of the gun.

          • rob stanley
            July 26, 2023, 09:53 | # | Reply

            18? i must really know what brand.! or what type of round..
            my IWI Tavor ts12 holds 15+1 (standard rounds)
            my Saiga 12g (drum) holds 30 rounds..

        • Scarsdale
          July 26, 2023, 04:15 | # | Reply

          Yeah, only those are gold plated, I seen a pimp back in the
          day with a WWII 1911 he had gold plated, looked like crap…
          I kinda doubt the bolt action was worth a damn.

          • rob stanley
            July 26, 2023, 09:32 | # | Reply

            “bolt action”???

            • Scarsdale
              July 26, 2023, 12:49 | # | Reply

              Wrong term, I know, slide action then.
              I’m not as well versed in gun lore, I
              didn’t need one until I got old and
              out in the sticks.

              • me
                July 26, 2023, 14:24 | # | Reply

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnR3Tyrg_10

                That’s about how much I know about weapon lore.

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