Hopefully Lamia will make the jump, the humans there are no longer
more powerful than the Empire, but those ships and other assets
will go a long way in the up-n-coming war.
Ah so they DO have authorization codes, just set to a hand print,
I like it! Voice recognition isn’t as dependable, sorry Gene, but
there’s been way too many ways around it of late! Glad to see they
are going to confirm everyone like I was thinking.
Heads:-up for Catman: The vote incentive pic at TWC appears to be broken. When I voted this
morning (twice as usual) the most current still failed to appear. There was only the little
placeholder graphic under the “With cat” text. Figured you’d want to know.
I was thinking, since the core dreadnoughts have shields that stay up after
passing through the wormhole, it would make sense to create a “shield-killer”
class of ships. These could be smallish, 4-5 man crew, armed with a number
of missiles but the main weapon would be a beam weapon. Since the shields block
both maneuvering and weapons, these shield-killers would slowly pelt the ships
to force them to keep up the shields until their power was drained off. Once
that happens, all killers would launch missiles in tandem in a joint effort to
damage the dreadnoughts enough to force a surrender. 4-6 killers all with grav
drives to provide power for the beams, as long as they don’t fire too often to
prevent an over-heating situation. Each killer would have to rapidly change
position after firing to avoid being an easy target. The grav drives don’t
leave a trail of exhaust so it would be hard to find the killers between firing.
And If the beam cannon was mounted on a turret with tracking software
the ships could maneuver to keep the missile tube aimed at the dreadnought.
These would make an excellent wormhole barricade craft!
The hypothetical FTL drive that is not dependent on jump points is a bigger threat
than a thousand dreadnoughts.
The reasons are simple.
1. You can’t do a surprise attack through a jump point. One message torpedo
and the defenders are warned.
2. The Core Worlds haven’t thought about a real war for a long time. A defender
can set up thousands of missiles in range of a jump point. If they have the industrial
base to produce them. That’s why the Empire works so hard on developing new
ways to attack a system, because that is more difficult than defending. Especially
with Catia and Dogushia as choke points to the rim worlds.
That’s why that FTL drive the Core Worlds might have is so dangerous. At least
for the time being. Given the time they can secure every system in the Empire against
those as well.
And that’s why the Empire pushes it’s industrial base so fast and gives new members
so much help to start their own orbital and stellar economy. And why they are
Short on personal.
My idea was they’d be combining dreadnoughts and “magic” FTL.
About the “no experience in ages” issue … the Empire hasn’t fought
a real massive fleet yet either, have they?
You do have a point about advantages for the defender, though.
Not sure how this plays out, especially since we’re yet to learn the
numbers about whose economy is currently how well equipped for
handling a long grind.
No, the Empire hasn’t fought a war either. However, they are already
thinking outside the box, because they never were inside the box.
The Core Worlds will expect the war being waged in the way they
are used to. From the looks of it, the ‘magic’ FTL is not in broad use
right now and they will retrofit their warships as soon as they
discover that their offensive gets stopped.
The question is, how many have they in storage and/or how quickly
can they build them.
In the meantime the Empire will, in all likelihood, simply station any
excess missiles in the orbit of their planets and installations. While
it would be helpful to know the limits of the ‘magic’ FTL drive, but they
can work without them.
What will be a problem for the Core Worlds will be their own limits
on a stellar economy. From what we have seen and heard
spaceships are more of a rarity than there are in other settings.
the total number of ships seems rather limited. Even id the Core
Worlds have ships mothballed, I doubt they are state-of-the-art
and they have no experienced crews. Not even in basic ship
operations, much less combat trained.
Still, the Core Worlds are old and might have some surprises left.
We will see.
Actually, The Empire has fought 2 wars so far, if you count Lamia.
Not to mention how much fighting they had to do to protect the
early days of the Empire, the core has just sent a few ships out
to beat up a “lesser race.” That’s all they’ve done for centuries,
play bully.
The Empire started with only 50,000 people, and in a few short
years have become one of the more powerful entities in known
space, while the core has done little else but make money and
terrorize the weaker races for 1000+ years. I have little doubt
that anyone tries to explain that is being told to “shut up, we
have the power, not a bunch of slaves and weaker races!” Bigots
to the end I suppose…
By time they can’t ignore it any longer, the Empire will have the
majority in everything, or so we hope.
If they have a FTL drive, it would most likely be a wormhole generator, a “warp”
field is pretty much a gravity bubble, so they would have the grav tech. And
only a dreadnought would be big enough to carry and power such a device.
I suspect no one in any of the core worlds have done much research on advanced
ship drives, like any other major power, “if it works, don’t fix it” attitude. They are
focused on making money, not readying for war.
The core is like the “promising” football jock that bullies the other kids, The Empire
is that smaller (but learning how to fight) smart kid that knows where and how to
hit hard and fast.
first an foremost, manpower.! no one has it.! so..
putting out “lots of ships” is NOT an option.
second, “FTL” who has it? .. core = jock bully,.
ftl = football,. IE: the star quarterback is NOT
going to give the ball away..
third, no plan survives contact with the enemy.!
planning on them to fight just so.. is a quick
way to get stabbed in the back..
I agree, if the core has FTL, they won’t use it until it’s a last-ditch effort
to take down the Empire. And nothing EVER goes to plan in combat or
war. I’m just throwing out ideas here.
If they have FTL then no defense is a quick kill scenario, they could have them pop in
anywhere in the system and no amount of ships would be able to move fast enough
to counter it. My thought was to show them that wormhole travel for attacking is a
poor tactical choice. Any attempt would end in the loss of another heavy class ship.
The core is still trying to use the same old tactics, fear and intimidation. They act like
they are the only real power in the known universe and other’s just need to be
reminded of that “fact.” At this rate, they will have to either recommission mothballed
just to maintain their current level, or start building ships and training assets. There’s
been, what, 6 attacks that ended in either destruction or capture of the assets by the
Empire, and “they just got lucky” isn’t covering it. And that’s just the one’s we know
about.
They still have to come through one at a time, slowing
the build-up tremendously. That tactic depends on a
system that doesn’t watch the wormholes closely for
activity. Or a pre-spaceflight race like the Lapirodae.
A race could of paid for transport, and when the core pulled a fast
one on said race, they had neither the resources or the co-operation
to start building. Like the Laporidae, the core trashed the planet
and left them to rot.
I wince at what they did to the stock of that poor — is that a 16 gauge? I haven’t
seen many lever-action shotguns heavier that a 410 and that muzzle looks like
it has no sight and thinner walls like a smooth-bore rather than a rifle.
Experience shows that flooding a country with weapons results inevitably
in a destabilization and probably in civil war that most probably result in
gangs and war lords and might end in a mafia state so as current russia.
With an oligarchy that keeps family outside the country and a good part
of their wealth too. A kind of new monarchy with Oligarchs who support
the big boss or being neutral are ok and people who try to engage in
politics have an increased risk being close to windows in higher floor,
drinking the wrong tea or their planes crashing. Sudden, unexpected
death in a gulag is possible, too. Or being in other countries touching
the wrong door handle, stab themselves in the back – 17 times, drive
by shot from a bicycle driver, whole family killed is possible too.
Hopefully Lamia will make the jump, the humans there are no longer
more powerful than the Empire, but those ships and other assets
will go a long way in the up-n-coming war.
Ah so they DO have authorization codes, just set to a hand print,
I like it! Voice recognition isn’t as dependable, sorry Gene, but
there’s been way too many ways around it of late! Glad to see they
are going to confirm everyone like I was thinking.
Not authorization, but validation codes! Sorry, been under the weather.
If I was a 12 cylinder engine, I’d be running on 8 1/2.
That’s right Cissy, it’s why I love the Empire so much!
The good FAR outweigh the bad there…
Heads:-up for Catman: The vote incentive pic at TWC appears to be broken. When I voted this
morning (twice as usual) the most current still failed to appear. There was only the little
placeholder graphic under the “With cat” text. Figured you’d want to know.
Worked for me.
Works for me, too, NOW! It definitely did not when I posted the message. Promise.
Eh, it happens. I checked it right after you Bill, and it was gone
then, checked again a few hours later and it was back.
Thanks, man. Must’ve been some glitch at TWC. I just wanted PC in the loop.
I was thinking, since the core dreadnoughts have shields that stay up after
passing through the wormhole, it would make sense to create a “shield-killer”
class of ships. These could be smallish, 4-5 man crew, armed with a number
of missiles but the main weapon would be a beam weapon. Since the shields block
both maneuvering and weapons, these shield-killers would slowly pelt the ships
to force them to keep up the shields until their power was drained off. Once
that happens, all killers would launch missiles in tandem in a joint effort to
damage the dreadnoughts enough to force a surrender. 4-6 killers all with grav
drives to provide power for the beams, as long as they don’t fire too often to
prevent an over-heating situation. Each killer would have to rapidly change
position after firing to avoid being an easy target. The grav drives don’t
leave a trail of exhaust so it would be hard to find the killers between firing.
And If the beam cannon was mounted on a turret with tracking software
the ships could maneuver to keep the missile tube aimed at the dreadnought.
These would make an excellent wormhole barricade craft!
I don’t think taking out one or even four dreadnoughts would be a problem.
The question remains, just how many of them can the core deploy and how fast?
What if it’s twenty dreadnoughts? A hundred?
The hypothetical FTL drive that is not dependent on jump points is a bigger threat
than a thousand dreadnoughts.
The reasons are simple.
1. You can’t do a surprise attack through a jump point. One message torpedo
and the defenders are warned.
2. The Core Worlds haven’t thought about a real war for a long time. A defender
can set up thousands of missiles in range of a jump point. If they have the industrial
base to produce them. That’s why the Empire works so hard on developing new
ways to attack a system, because that is more difficult than defending. Especially
with Catia and Dogushia as choke points to the rim worlds.
That’s why that FTL drive the Core Worlds might have is so dangerous. At least
for the time being. Given the time they can secure every system in the Empire against
those as well.
And that’s why the Empire pushes it’s industrial base so fast and gives new members
so much help to start their own orbital and stellar economy. And why they are
Short on personal.
My idea was they’d be combining dreadnoughts and “magic” FTL.
About the “no experience in ages” issue … the Empire hasn’t fought
a real massive fleet yet either, have they?
You do have a point about advantages for the defender, though.
Not sure how this plays out, especially since we’re yet to learn the
numbers about whose economy is currently how well equipped for
handling a long grind.
No, the Empire hasn’t fought a war either. However, they are already
thinking outside the box, because they never were inside the box.
The Core Worlds will expect the war being waged in the way they
are used to. From the looks of it, the ‘magic’ FTL is not in broad use
right now and they will retrofit their warships as soon as they
discover that their offensive gets stopped.
The question is, how many have they in storage and/or how quickly
can they build them.
In the meantime the Empire will, in all likelihood, simply station any
excess missiles in the orbit of their planets and installations. While
it would be helpful to know the limits of the ‘magic’ FTL drive, but they
can work without them.
What will be a problem for the Core Worlds will be their own limits
on a stellar economy. From what we have seen and heard
spaceships are more of a rarity than there are in other settings.
the total number of ships seems rather limited. Even id the Core
Worlds have ships mothballed, I doubt they are state-of-the-art
and they have no experienced crews. Not even in basic ship
operations, much less combat trained.
Still, the Core Worlds are old and might have some surprises left.
We will see.
Actually, The Empire has fought 2 wars so far, if you count Lamia.
Not to mention how much fighting they had to do to protect the
early days of the Empire, the core has just sent a few ships out
to beat up a “lesser race.” That’s all they’ve done for centuries,
play bully.
The Empire started with only 50,000 people, and in a few short
years have become one of the more powerful entities in known
space, while the core has done little else but make money and
terrorize the weaker races for 1000+ years. I have little doubt
that anyone tries to explain that is being told to “shut up, we
have the power, not a bunch of slaves and weaker races!” Bigots
to the end I suppose…
By time they can’t ignore it any longer, the Empire will have the
majority in everything, or so we hope.
If they have a FTL drive, it would most likely be a wormhole generator, a “warp”
field is pretty much a gravity bubble, so they would have the grav tech. And
only a dreadnought would be big enough to carry and power such a device.
I suspect no one in any of the core worlds have done much research on advanced
ship drives, like any other major power, “if it works, don’t fix it” attitude. They are
focused on making money, not readying for war.
The core is like the “promising” football jock that bullies the other kids, The Empire
is that smaller (but learning how to fight) smart kid that knows where and how to
hit hard and fast.
That’s more or less like in Babylon 5, then.
“Normal” vessels have to use pre-existing jump gates.
The most powerful/largest ships of some species can open gates at will.
first an foremost, manpower.! no one has it.! so..
putting out “lots of ships” is NOT an option.
second, “FTL” who has it? .. core = jock bully,.
ftl = football,. IE: the star quarterback is NOT
going to give the ball away..
third, no plan survives contact with the enemy.!
planning on them to fight just so.. is a quick
way to get stabbed in the back..
I agree, if the core has FTL, they won’t use it until it’s a last-ditch effort
to take down the Empire. And nothing EVER goes to plan in combat or
war. I’m just throwing out ideas here.
If they have FTL then no defense is a quick kill scenario, they could have them pop in
anywhere in the system and no amount of ships would be able to move fast enough
to counter it. My thought was to show them that wormhole travel for attacking is a
poor tactical choice. Any attempt would end in the loss of another heavy class ship.
The core is still trying to use the same old tactics, fear and intimidation. They act like
they are the only real power in the known universe and other’s just need to be
reminded of that “fact.” At this rate, they will have to either recommission mothballed
just to maintain their current level, or start building ships and training assets. There’s
been, what, 6 attacks that ended in either destruction or capture of the assets by the
Empire, and “they just got lucky” isn’t covering it. And that’s just the one’s we know
about.
They still have to come through one at a time, slowing
the build-up tremendously. That tactic depends on a
system that doesn’t watch the wormholes closely for
activity. Or a pre-spaceflight race like the Lapirodae.
Pre-spaceflight species are sitting ducks anyway.
Speaking off: shouldn’t it be “haven forgotten how to space fly”?
Beat me to it. That’s what I was gonna say. Forgotten how or
given it up for some other reason, like the … was it Ogres or Trolls?
Trolls, they simply had no interest in it.
A race could of paid for transport, and when the core pulled a fast
one on said race, they had neither the resources or the co-operation
to start building. Like the Laporidae, the core trashed the planet
and left them to rot.
In my opinion, as can be illustrated from both storyline,
a society cannot succeed without the presence of cats.
Browning built a 12GA one for Winchester 120 years or so ago.
https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/shotguns/lever-action-shotgun-past-present-and-future
Dang – this was supposed to respond to Jochi below.
Thank you. I learned a lot from that article.
I wince at what they did to the stock of that poor — is that a 16 gauge? I haven’t
seen many lever-action shotguns heavier that a 410 and that muzzle looks like
it has no sight and thinner walls like a smooth-bore rather than a rifle.
Winchester 1887, 10g.
movie, Terminator 2.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.ece87222e64c02ef521727c558450e3e?rik=9py5Xyv5pKR37Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.originalprop.com%2fblog%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2009%2f03%2fterminator-2-winchester-shotgun-custom-original-prop-04-x1200.jpg&ehk=nKUPSXfFDur%2fZa12LtyU5rqyyaQUM2d5G8nbL4B3tdg%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
Experience shows that flooding a country with weapons results inevitably
in a destabilization and probably in civil war that most probably result in
gangs and war lords and might end in a mafia state so as current russia.
With an oligarchy that keeps family outside the country and a good part
of their wealth too. A kind of new monarchy with Oligarchs who support
the big boss or being neutral are ok and people who try to engage in
politics have an increased risk being close to windows in higher floor,
drinking the wrong tea or their planes crashing. Sudden, unexpected
death in a gulag is possible, too. Or being in other countries touching
the wrong door handle, stab themselves in the back – 17 times, drive
by shot from a bicycle driver, whole family killed is possible too.