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TGW-1051

Chapter: Affair of Honor
Characters: Flame, sally, Slinom, Smoke, Taritha
Location: Ptero, street
└ Tags: trade deal, we are leaving

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  1. Petercat
    January 30, 2023, 20:28 | # | Reply

    Me-

    To answer you from yesterday:

    “If you find somebody on the ground who’s bleeding to death – do you
    stop for a minute and decide if they“deserve” to be rescued? Or do
    you try your best to help them?”

    I hate to say it, but nowadays, if you try to help an injured stranger,
    you are setting yourself up for a ruinous lawsuit. Even if you win, the
    expense of defending yourself in court will bankrupt you.
    I’m not sure I’d risk everything I own trying to help a stranger. Even
    medical personnel are warned, “If you’re off the clock, don’t get involved.”

    • Scarsdale
      January 30, 2023, 20:49 | # | Reply

      Sad but true, I’ve always tried to help people out
      and I’ve been burned. Every. Single. Time.

    • me
      January 30, 2023, 23:45 | # | Reply

      Yeah. There’s that too, of course.

      …

      I think this might derail into something political
      quickly.

      • Scarsdale
        January 31, 2023, 04:23 | # | Reply

        Oh I’d bet on it.

    • Dastardly Dan
      January 31, 2023, 06:34 | # | Reply

      The “Good Samaritan” laws are supposed to prevent that. But I’m still wary. If they are
      conscious, I ask if they want me to “try to help”.

    • Bill Mullins
      January 31, 2023, 07:22 | # | Reply

      As litigious as western societies have become I do not think I would be all that eager to help.
      If I came upon the scene of an auto accident or a mugging, no question I would call 911. I do
      not carry any first aid supplies in my car so calling for help would be the extent of what aid I
      could reasonably provide. I haven’t had any first aid training in decades so I really would not
      be qualified to help. “Good Samaritan” laws do not prevent you from being sued penniless.

      While I was In High School my Dad witnessed a vehicle going off the road and down an
      embankment and ran to try and help the driver. This was 55 years ago so cell phones were
      not yet a thing. When he got to the vehicle, the driver was engulfed in flames. Dad pulled the
      door open and had to cut the man’s seatbelt with his pocket knife. Then, having nothing
      else, he beat the flames in the man’s clothing out with his hands. Meanwhile another driver
      on that road called in the accident using citizens band radio. The poor driver succumbed to
      his injuries 3 days later. The man had been heading to San Antonio to attend to the birth of
      his first grandchild. He lived long enough to know that he had a grandson and the child’s
      name. The man’s family was very grateful to Dad. At least the man didn’t die on the child’s
      birthday. The family sent Dad Christmas cards for hears. Today I would be afraid to be sued.
      My fear would be that some shyster lawyer would convince the family to sue me for everything I
      own. Sidenote: My Dad drove trucks for a living. The man was wearing a nylon shirt (anybody
      remember “banlon”?) and Dad wound up burning his hands (1st & 2nd degree) and was unable to
      drive for a couple of weeks. He had little slivers of melted nylon growing out of his hands for
      months. Also, this was not the only time my Dad pulled a man from a burning automobile. He
      did it while I was in 4th grade, too. My Dad was a real-deal, by damn hero!

      • me
        January 31, 2023, 08:12 | # | Reply

        As far as I know, over here you’re still legally REQUIRED to
        help.

        As long as you’re acting “Nach besten Wissen und Gewissen”
        (= to the best of your abilities and consciousness) you should
        be safe from charges, even if you do additional damage.

        Of course that leaves plenty room for interpretation.

        We do have a different – very disturbing/sickening – problem here:
        bystanders who obstruct or even attack rescuing authorities.

        There’s even some who’d argue with police or fire fighters because
        they “need to get through because they have an urgent meeting”
        or such.

        • Petercat
          January 31, 2023, 09:09 | # | Reply

          I am in a very bad spot here. I was an Army medic for ten years.
          While I was in Germany, I volunteered in a German hospital
          emergency room (Where my wife worked). I learned a LOT about
          trauma care and treatment that I was never officially trained for.
          But that was years ago. I no longer have any certification, although
          I have the knowledge and skill. I’ve kept up.
          Because I lack certification, I can only do what an average citizen
          can do in response to an emergency, no more.
          For example: I come upon an auto accident. The driver’s throat has
          been crushed, he – is – going – to – die – no – shit.
          I know how to do a tracheotomy. So I cut, allowing him to breathe.
          I’ve saved his life, but not only will I be sued for creating a scar, I
          will be arrested and sent to prison for practicing medicine without
          a license.
          God help me if he dies from his other injuries.
          It’s easier to just not take the risk of inadvertently going beyond
          what the average civilian could do.
          Because I know that if I get involved, I will enter a familiar space
          and go too far: “You’re my patient, I WON’T let you die, dammit!”

          • me
            January 31, 2023, 09:22 | # | Reply

            Ok. That’s something different again.

            My bet would be, you’d be into the same kind of
            trouble here, too.

            The “do what you can” paragraph explicitly is about
            laymen providing first aid – and only that.

            Not about “I’m more then able to perform this risky
            procedure, but I lack formal qualification.”

          • Ned Moore
            January 31, 2023, 16:05 | # | Reply

            Being a retired Nurse – I can readily relate – and have thought about this aspect a lot.
            As Bill, I no longer carry my Nurse Kit nor first aid equipment since I allowed my Indiana RN License and malpractice insurance to go inactive.
            I see the wisdom in calling 911, but that has to be it. . . . sadly.

          • Scarsdale
            January 31, 2023, 19:19 | # | Reply

            I was certified as a trained first aid with CPR training and this was brought
            up in class, sadly when I truly needed it was when my mother slipped into
            a coma and stopped breathing. I called 911 and ran in and tried to put her
            on the floor but I couldn’t do it safely so I had to leave her on the bed and
            deal with it for the 15 mins it took the EMT’s to show up. She didn’t make it
            and I felt her ribs go while I was doing that, I would of been sued as well
            if it was a stranger. The movie “The Incredibles” depicted exactly this very
            thing, people are sue happy and it doesn’t matter that you saved their life,
            only that they get free money out of it.

        • Bill Mullins
          January 31, 2023, 10:19 | # | Reply

          @Me, the problem isn’t the possibility of criminal charges but of facing some sort of ruinous civil suit.
          (Sidebar: The only thing less “civil” than “civil law” is civil war.) Unfortunately, on this side of the pond
          we have little in place to preclude/prevent/punish frivolous lawsuits. My understanding is that in
          Europe you folks have the principle of “loser pays” which would tend to make someone leery of filing a
          possibly frivolous lawsuit. Even the presence of laws ostensibly shielding one who acts in good faith
          from lawsuit, it is still possible to be sued, often with ruinous results. I don’t know who writes the laws
          in Europe but here in the U.S. it’s mostly lawyers. One could easily characterize our legal system (both
          criminal and civil) as a full-employment scheme for lawyers.

          • me
            January 31, 2023, 11:37 | # | Reply

            It’s (still) a bit different here …

            But we (as in Germany) have our own special brand
            of brain damaging litigations, if you’re interested …

            It’s call “Abmahnung” (something like a cease and desist
            order).

            There’s ton of stuff you have to do in very specific ways or
            your competitors might feel treated unfairly.

            Thing is: they don’t have to sue you themselves for it, even if
            none of your competitors noticed your mistakes – heck even if
            ALL of them make these same errors themselves, if some
            lawyer notices you might be infringing they can tell you to stop,
            and make you pay for “their trouble” plus fines and whatever.

            There’s law firms specializing in that stuff. “We noticed that the
            small print on your website is just a teeny bit too well hidden, please
            pay us 50k€, or else”

            (There’s been trying to reign these in – with some limited success so far)

          • me
            January 31, 2023, 11:44 | # | Reply

            As for “loser pays”: that usually doesn’t apply if you settle.
            In that case normally both sides pay their own fees.

            And of course, there’s always those who can afford to drag
            a litigation on and on and on – and others who can’t
            (or just settle anyway just to bury the issue and get out of
            the headlines fast).

            • Petercat
              January 31, 2023, 20:49 | # | Reply

              There was an interesting proposal put forward here once.
              Loser would pay only the amount they spent on the case.
              I buy a new car, it has a design defect that damages me,
              I sue the manufacturer.
              They spend a million dollars defending themselves, I spend
              a thousand.
              I lose, I have to pay them a thousand dollars. They lose, they
              pay me a million. On top of the jury award.
              This would prevent anyone from running up the possible bill
              hoping to intimidate their opponent.
              The proposal never went anywhere.

              • me
                January 31, 2023, 23:49 | # | Reply

                That’s even better an idea than the one I had:
                nobody ever gets to choose their lawyers.

                They’re all just randomly appointed by the courts.

                Of course that might mean nobody smart enough
                to be a good lawyer would ever pick up lawyering …

                The proposal you mention might backfire in some
                cases. If you’ve already payed your lawyers three
                or four million and are looking at losing a 5 million
                dollar lawsuit you might feel inclined to spent yet
                another million to try and avoid losing that 9 mio
                total.

                And you still can wear your opponent down by dragging
                it out and out and out and …

          • me
            February 1, 2023, 02:55 | # | Reply

            Just a crazy thought …

            Maybe it would help a lot if the system was changed
            so that you’re barred from civil litigation if a criminal
            case already found you innocent?

            I mean you do have something like nobody can be prosecuted
            twice for the same crime – so why not extend that to civil litigation
            at least in some cases?

    • Gary (Kajm at DA)
      January 31, 2023, 10:26 | # | Reply

      Petercat: Christmas weekend, when we had the blizzard up here.
      A cop (21, just started service) finds a pickup truck in the
      ditch. He goes to see if the couple in the car need help.

      They buried him a few days later. The couple were on the run,
      the truck was stolen, and the jackass who shot him was seeking
      ‘suicide by cop.’

  2. Bill Mullins
    January 30, 2023, 20:53 | # | Reply

    The “Alice’s” place in the 1st strip should/i> have been a restaurant, not a dress shop.

    (Just sayin’) 😉

    • President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
      January 30, 2023, 23:02 | # | Reply

      Can you get anything you want?

      • Petercat
        January 30, 2023, 23:47 | # | Reply

        Excepting Alice.

        • me
          January 31, 2023, 00:01 | # | Reply

          Alice? Who the fuck is Alice?

          • me
            January 31, 2023, 00:50 | # | Reply

            Ok. You probably won’t get that reference.

            That song hasn’t been very successful outside
            of Europe, I guess.

            • Petercat
              January 31, 2023, 06:27 | # | Reply

              Link?

              • me
                January 31, 2023, 06:59 | # | Reply

                This should work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrfovOPcjk
                (Sorry, can turn on audio atm)

                There once was a song called “Living next door to Alice”, a British
                version (by Smokie) of which has been quite a success over here.

                A decade later some Dutch(?) band made fun of it by yelling
                “Alice! Who the fuck is Alice!” whenever the original lyrics were whining
                about not having the nerve to talk to her.

                That version had been very popular in clubs and on parties.

                • Nico
                  January 31, 2023, 11:23 | # | Reply

                  Never thought I would see that song referenced here. The artist is Gompie, an alias for Peter Koelewijn. He is indeed Dutch.

                • Petercat
                  January 31, 2023, 20:51 | # | Reply

                  That.. is hilarious. Thanks.

                  • me
                    January 31, 2023, 23:51 | # | Reply

                    You’re welcome 😉

  3. Scarsdale
    January 30, 2023, 21:04 | # | Reply

    She seems to be a good person, stopping to ask what’s going on
    rather than heading for the hills, even taking part in the evac.

    Slimy is showing the ideas of the core, keep them down, keep them
    helpless, make them obedient. Sad thing is? that’s what the church
    and most kings did and their kingdoms failed and fell to someone
    stronger all the time. You can’t sustain any economy like that, sooner
    or later something happens and everything collapses. In this case,
    the Empire. Only way the core has a hope of surviving is to accept
    the new economy created by the Empire, or have each core world
    drown under the weight of it. Queen Ann’gijin sees this and is acting
    the right way, who knows what the rest will do, other than PC of course 🙂

  4. President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
    January 30, 2023, 23:00 | # | Reply

    Sounds like Taritha has been studying computer logic.
    “If-then”, lather, rinse, repeat.

  5. me
    January 30, 2023, 23:52 | # | Reply

    One think about the 10% thingy I don’t quite
    understand.

    Does her notion of “neutral” imply that they
    have to pay that 10%?

    Or is the 10% tariff just an offer for those who
    stay neutral – which would allow those to trade
    with both sides.

    Also: members of the Empire not paying anything
    at all is a bit free-lunchy, ain’t it?

    • Sam
      January 31, 2023, 00:55 | # | Reply

      I think the 10% is in addition to normal freight rates. Everyone pays normal freight rates. Non-imperial pays an extra 10%.

      That’s my read on it anyway.

    • Scarsdale
      January 31, 2023, 03:35 | # | Reply

      The core don’t get it, The Empire doesn’t want control, they just want
      to get along with everyone. No control, just progress and prosperity.
      The core wants complete control on what they do and how, no one
      can be as strong as them. They want everyone to be weak and unable
      to develop normally, they just want money at any cost. The worst kind
      of tyranny, the peons just slave away until they die, very medieval.

    • Dreamfox
      January 31, 2023, 04:29 | # | Reply

      Anyone within the Empire pays only 75% of the shipping costs the
      Core Worlds charge.
      Anyone not part of the Empire but wants to trade with it (i.e.
      Neutral) pays an additional 10% in tariffs for the shipping.

      But what’s worse for the Core Worlds is the part with fair trade.

      • me
        January 31, 2023, 07:05 | # | Reply

        I think his problem is that he can’t or doesn’t want
        to beat the prices set by their new competition?

        It sucks if you’ve been the only shipping company
        in the market for hundreds of years and suddenly
        somebody shows up “stealing” “you” business.

        • Dreamfox
          February 1, 2023, 03:27 | # | Reply

          They can’t beat the transport prices of the Empire.
          They also don’t want to pay the fair prices the Empire pays. Their
          economy depends on squeezing the Fringe Worlds to an inch of
          their existence. We haven’t seen much of an orbital or even stellar
          infrastructure. One can’t expand their population because they
          need the medicine provided by the imports. The Dogusians can’t
          expand beyond one continent. Neither can exploit the resources
          of their own star system in any way.
          Other Fringe Worlds are probably in a better position, but that
          doesn’t necessarily mean much considering we have seen that
          the ‘Batshits’ feel the sting of just one missing shipment.

      • Bill Mullins
        January 31, 2023, 07:42 | # | Reply

        I read Taritha’s statement as being that non-empire members who stayed neutral would pay a
        10% tariff on their goods and would be charged a freight rate equal to 75% of what core worlds
        shippers would charge. My understanding is that core world shippers were charging ruinous
        rates to ship fringe world goods. IIRC they also charged exorbitant prices for the goods as well.
        Essentially core world merchants were taking unfair advantage of having what amounted to a
        monopoly on goods and transport. While I don’t believe the empire’s practices would truly ruin
        anybody’s economy, it would reduce shipping concerns’ profits which would doubtless reduce
        tax revenue as well as bribes currently going to some core world officials. It would be painful in
        the short run but it might just end up benefiting the core worlds in the long run. Just not some
        long established entities.

        • me
          January 31, 2023, 07:52 | # | Reply

          😉

          My interpretation is that the 10% tariff is 75% less then what the
          core worlds are currently charging (i.e. they charge 40% tariff?)

          Those prices had been called excessive by fringe-worlders, but
          don’t forget that the core worlds don’t have a grav drive …

          Maybe a fair price for both core and fringe worlds would be some
          like 20%? Which would still be double of what the Empire’s asking.

          In that case the current prices are way too high but “fair” pricing
          would still not be competitive.

          • Sam
            January 31, 2023, 14:13 | # | Reply

            Nope. The neutral shippers, even with the 10% tariff added in, will find their shipping costs will only
            be 75% of what they’re currently paying to core shippers.

            If they’re members of the empire, their shipping costs will be 65% of what the core charges.

            • Scarsdale
              January 31, 2023, 19:25 | # | Reply

              Yeah, it was 4 am and I should of looked at it the other way around
              with the wife still in rehab I can’t sleep well or much. She’s in isolation
              right now since she caught my cold (grrrrr…..) so I can’t go see her…

    • Petercat
      February 1, 2023, 14:23 | # | Reply

      The way it works is that the standard freight rates are about 68% of Core freight rates.
      Imperial worlds pay standard freight rates.
      Neutral worlds pay the standard rates plus 10%, which equals about 75% of Core
      freight rates.
      To simplify:
      Core charges 100 Kore to move X kilos Y distance.
      Imperial haulers charge Imperial worlds 68 Kore.
      Neutral worlds pay 68 + 6.8 Kore. 74.8 Kore total.

  6. Scarsdale
    January 31, 2023, 04:13 | # | Reply

    Call it an incentive to join. You and I are members of the Empire, we both have 100
    items to trade, Slimy also has 100 trade items he wants to trade with either of us.
    Taritha said even with the tariff they’d still get the shipping at 75% less of the cost,
    while members of the Empire would get it at 85%. The trade item count would reflect
    those costs. So we trade 50 – 7.5 of the trade items for shipping on both sides while
    Slimy would only get 50 – 12.5. The core costs would mean each side out of 50/50
    trade items they’d both only get 12.5 items each. 42.5 items versus 12.5. Money
    makes trading simpler is all. And avoids constant diplomatic meetings over trade values.
    Well kinda, there’s always going to stupid arguments over value and costs…

    • Petercat
      February 1, 2023, 14:28 | # | Reply

      You’re overthinking it. See just above^.
      …
      …
      Cost is the price the seller demands.
      Value is the price the buyer is willing to pay.

      • Scarsdale
        February 1, 2023, 20:33 | # | Reply

        sometimes it helps to read numbers, at least for an aging man
        with too much on his mind.

  7. Petercat
    January 31, 2023, 08:06 | # | Reply

    A headline that just begs for an explanation:
    “Man dies after being crushed by hydraulic urinal outside London theatre”
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1727207/London-Trafalgar-Square-air-ambulance-emergency-incident-latest

    • me
      January 31, 2023, 08:27 | # | Reply

      From the pictures I think the poor man got killed by one of
      these https://www.mediamatic.net/en/page/231844/pop-up-urinals

      As I read the story, he had been trying to repair the thingy.

  8. notStanley
    January 31, 2023, 13:48 | # | Reply

    Taritha is demolishing those steaks!

    Meanwhile Slinom is barely grazing at his sushi.

    A very subtle, and individual, clue to their different cultures :}

    • Scarsdale
      January 31, 2023, 19:31 | # | Reply

      I would too! They are some tasty lookin’ steaks. 🙂
      I wonder if they are like the Shitbats, no anus.
      (starts looking for the stun baton…)
      That would explain much, everyone feels relaxed
      after a good “unload” heh.
      I think it’s because Slimy is bummed out, he can’t
      do anything to the Pride or Taritha and it depresses
      him.

  9. Woodsman
    January 31, 2023, 17:00 | # | Reply

    Many states have a “Good Samaritan” law that protects medical and non medical
    persons from being sued for anything except willful injuries. In case of drug
    overdose reporting the police can’t charge a
    for having drugs and paraphernalia on them. check your state’s laws to see
    if they have one and what it covers.

  10. Scarsdale
    February 1, 2023, 03:29 | # | Reply

    My wife called me a bit ago, she has pneumonia, I don’t know if
    they are just going to treat it or send her back to the hospital as
    yet, it’s going to be a long night for me….
    Her breathing doctor told me with her stage 4 COPD something
    like this could be bad. sorry i’m a mess.

    • Petercat
      February 1, 2023, 04:12 | # | Reply

      Damn. I don’t know what to say.

    • Paul
      February 1, 2023, 20:35 | # | Reply

      Nothing to say except, “I’m sorry, just damn.”

  11. Petercat
    February 1, 2023, 04:11 | # | Reply

    What the hell? I guess that one webcomic is determined not to lose first
    place again. Voting for February started two hours ago, and they have
    14,000 votes already.

    • Jochi
      February 1, 2023, 13:03 | # | Reply

      I noticed that. Shame to suspect skullduggery,
      it’s another comic I follow and like.

      • Petercat
        February 1, 2023, 14:31 | # | Reply

        Suspect????
        They were at 14,545 at 0400, two hours after voting started.
        Ten hours later, they’ve only gained another 130 votes???

  12. Jochi
    February 1, 2023, 20:31 | # | Reply

    Yeah, it smells and is obviously not correct. They say to never attribute to
    villainy what can be explained by incompetence, and maybe some idjit at
    TWC just failed to clear their last month’s tally. But such an obvious mistake
    n such a prominent position would have been spotted by now and hopefully
    corrected. This reads as foul play.

    • Scarsdale
      February 1, 2023, 20:36 | # | Reply

      clearly someone had a huge number of robot accounts
      just for this reason, to boost numbers.

  13. Paul
    February 1, 2023, 20:38 | # | Reply

    It’s not any worse than comics that haven’t
    been worked on in over two years getting a lot of votes.
    Something smells.

    • me
      February 1, 2023, 23:45 | # | Reply

      To be fair, there’s some of those who are
      more-or-less abandoned (so their authors
      probably don’t care either way), but do have
      fans who keep returning to them just in
      case.

      I wouldn’t surprised if some of these vote
      just as an incentive for the writer to pick
      it up again.

      • Jochi
        February 2, 2023, 12:22 | # | Reply

        There’s a comic that hasn’t updated in years I vote as hard as
        I do TGW for that very reason. So, yes.

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