It was a good idea, and if certain people didn’t want the extra voters,
is should have been kept up. I’m quite sure things are going to change
very soon for those whiny pains in the arse very soon. I just hope laws
are made to prevent using the courts like they have been, I seen some
promising comments by a dem about that. Yeah I know, he wasn’t a far L.
My plan was:
All financial aid for people here illegally stops now.
Any entity which provides aid after today will receive no Federal money.
You have sixty days to leave.
Those who leave will be placed second on a list to return if you are good.
Behind those already in line to enter legally,
or who apply to enter without ever having been here illegally.
Anyone caught here after sixty days will be jailed for one year,
then deported and never allowed to legally return.
Anyone who returns illegally will serve five years. In prison.
North of the Arctic circle.
No, Conservatives are NOT anti-immigrant.
Yes, we want and need immigrants who will respect all of our laws.
Or you could just put everybody who isn’t a citizen or have a
valid green card or visa to the wall. Put it on the evening news.
I figure the self-deportation would pick up steam real quick!
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
Oklahoma made an effort at this when they passed a very strict
document verification law. Greyhound had to put on extra busses
to carry out all the undocumented types. And then, of course, a
federal judge told them they couldn’t do it, and it all fell apart.
My perception and knowledge might be wrong, so correct me if I’m
wrong about something.
Isn’t it also the problem that these illegals are being employed illegally?
Below minimum wage?
Last I heard many businesses in the USA would go bankrupt without
these illegals or at least make a lot less profit? Which would impact the
economy and of course taxes.
I don’t see that problem being addressed in that proposal. Funny thing
is I never heard it being addressed whenever this is discussed in the USA.
If no one employed them illegally, fewer would come, right?
Of course, if someone wants to inflate the already insane numbers of people
incarcerated in the USA and the below minimum wage workforce it creates,
taking more jobs away from US citizens working on the taxpayer’s money?
This proposal sounds about right to me.
Let’s not forget that some of those people could find life in US prisons,
as bad as it is preferable to the living conditions they have at home.
Like I said, I might have gotten things wrong not living in the USA and
not having all the details.
That would have to be the second prong, knowingly doing business with anyone
here illegally would be punished according to law.
Employing, renting to, selling to… Anything.
Laws would have to be enforced, of course.
References from citizens would weigh heavily
on someone’s odds of getting a green card.
I can think of several illegals that
I would gladly sponsor, in fact.
I’d like to have them here…
But only if they respect our laws.
As far as prisons go, I prefer our system where I
can not be convicted of a crime for… speaking.
Unlike in Europe. I can’t find the reference,
but for example, the woman who pointed out on
social media that the man who raped a fourteen
year old girl was a Muslim got more time in jail
for “hate speech” than the Muslim got for rape.
Now that’s insane!
It is also cultural suicide.
I hope Europeans enjoy living under Sharia law,
because that is where they’re headed.
The Red Gold factory I worked at would hire “migrant workers”
every year for harvest, and had a string of single room motel-
style rentals for some of them, but each room would have as
many as 8 to 14 people come out of each room before shift
change, and a whole different group filing in after shift change.
NONE of them spoke English, and would get very angry is you
tried to look in those windows from the parking lot they were
next to. As far as any taxes collected from these people go,
most of them would send their money to their families, so
no gain for any of us, Just their counties that they came from.
I knew a guy from a warehouse job that was a legal migrant
and he explained to me what they were doing, While he was
doing the same he went through the process and got a work
visa and paid taxes, the ones at RG was not, they were paid
in cash. When I tried to ask a few questions around, my boss
told me to butt out or start looking for another job…
It has long been said that the subject of illegal immigration is one
of those on which both sides will betray the common American.
The Democrats will, because they see it as their long-term plan
on majority rule. And the Republicans will, because they see it
as a source of inexpensive labor. Now, an important point.
Illegals are not necessarily working for below minimum wage.
In fact, in many cases, they’re making good money. But just
the fact that there are enough of them to skew wages is important.
If they weren’t in the labor market, Americans would have to do
those jobs. Would they, for the available pay? Would wages rise
due to labor shortages? Would labor shortages drive more
employment off-shore? These are questions that plague the
political discourse in America.
It’s not just the migrants, in ’78 they shut down all but one steel
mill in my area, thousands of steel workers were forced to take
jobs that were normally one’s the HS grads would take. so getting
a job was insanely difficult. I worked so many part-time and short
term jobs it wasn’t funny. I can see this current issue repeating
those days all over again.
Hmmm… A group of kids and/or young adults in hiding? I hope
they don’t make a mess of things, the most help you’ll get is
right there!!
Heheh… Sgt. Birov is smiling again, are we going to get to
see the result of the vomit/diarrhea agents? Tsk, tsk, Teresa,
you should know better in a combat situation! Ah well, she’s
just out of practice.
I’ve never fired anything full auto but I hear the recoil from a .50cal is huge.
One of my cousins has a Desert Eagle in .50AE and he says his wrist is sore
for days after just a few rounds. I cannot imagine what kind of recoil a
.50BMG in full auto would have. I figure they put full-on machine guns on
tripods or vehicle mounts for a reason! Those guys are going to be a greater
risk to their own side than anybody else.
Yes, you can tell these clowns got their training from watching
poorly written action movies, just like people think a car door
is enough protection for ANY firearm round.
That uzi I fired was crazy, it was all I could do to hold it, much
less aim, so the jam was actually helpful in that regard. And
it was a small round, can’t remember what it was though. Didn’t
matter how strong you are, if you’re not ready for the recoil,
it’s bad news.
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
To be honest? It was the guy’s “project”, so
who knows what all mods he did, I’ll bet I
was a guinea pig for him. I know they have
a high rate of fire, but damn! My thumb throbbed
for days after, but it was a blast. It needed
a fore grip.
actually the UZI came in 4 calibers…
.22 conversion,. or barrel/mag swap.
9mm,. most common.
.45,. not popular due to so many others.
.41AE.. one of the ‘new’ (89) rounds
that never got a foot hold…
I think it was 9mm, I’ve fired both,
and the kick was closer to my 9mm
hand gun. Just a WHOLE lot faster!
It’s been decades since I did that,
and I got old
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
I was recently reading an article on the
history of the Luger P08, with its knee
toggle action. I was wondering what it
would be like if it had been built up to
45ACP levels (besides the two that had
been built for the 1908 US Army trials –
Browning’s 1911 eventually won).
Anyway, more poking, and by golly!
Someone DOES make a P08 in 45ACP.
At $5K a pop, rather pricey, but still..
I knew someone who had one.
The knee toggle gives it a soft recoil,
and the grip angle makes it a natural pointer.
The muzzle flip is actually less than a 1911.
But it only feeds hardball reliably.
It does not like hollow points.
I wish I could afford one.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt that I load to
near Casull levels.
300gr bullet at 1300fps. I know the feeling of recoil.
That solid punch to the palm feels good.
But yeah, I feel it for a few days afterwards.
My Blackhawk is a .45 Convertible. Both ACP and Colt cylinders.
Had a bit of an issue finding loads in each that shoot to the same
POA=POI. But I’m using 255gr bullets in the Colt loads. If I were
to go to 300gr on the Colt loads I would need to bump the powder
charge to shoot to the same POA=POI. Umm . . . probably not.
The 255s thump my hand quite enough, thankyouverymuch.
Though the 300s would smack the bowling pins a bit harder.
Swamp water is chocked-full of microbes and parasites,
dysentery is the lighter side of drinking it. I made that
mistake bog fishing long ago, didn’t bring anything to drink…
I was sick for weeks!
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
Too slow to act on the invaders?
I’m thinking that the swamp water is laced
with something a little quicker acting,
but not harmful to the native flora and
fauna.
As is said here, “the cat sayth nothing”.
Or, from RAH, “SiaSL”, “Waiting is”.
Ah, but re-read exactly what he said:
“They’ll be drinking from the swamp.
It has some nasty surprises for them.”
I read that as POSSIBLY saying
the SWAMP has nasty surprises,
not necessarily in the drinking therefrom,
but in the attempt to acquire water therefrom.
Or something.
You can wick filter it, and then boil it. It’s why we are thinking
it’s been laced with something too. Those fancy insta-filters
that claim you can drink your own piss with them are nice, but
you burn through the filters fast, they were intended as
survival use only. I think bears and crocodiles would work as
well and not harm environment.
True, but without medical care… Anyway I had the same thought,
that it was laced with something. Keep in mind too, swamps are
pretty much “waste-water” from the dead animal/plant life AND
the waste from the living animals. Yes it’s sewer water… Some
towns and cities have actually started to run the filtered waste
water through swamps. it’s nature’s filter.
hence,. why i carry a couple water tabs…
after a few times being without … (water, power, food, etc…)
back in 75 i started carrying a B.O.B. ( tho not called that)
and thanks to “webelos” an pouches, i started a utility belt.
one friend said i’d make Batman jealous…
oh and filter.. charcoal (crushed), sand, gravel,. or rocky soil
filtered through cloth. for every gallon i still a drop of bleach..
or boil it…
Rob, I’ve been a prepped for many years after having been
through hurricanes, earthquakes, winter blizzards, (Indian
Head, Md. 1978 & Claremore, Ok. 2010, both 3 feet plus)
at least four tornados and the occasional flood, I’ve kind
of come to expect stuff like that, and started preparing
for such situations.
While I don’t EXPECT there to be a nuclear war or a CME
storm, I’ve tried to be ready, just in case.
Although, after the latest tornado through Claremore,
which, shockingly, I was out of state for,
I’ve learned I need to add a few items to my toolkit,
so there’s that…
On the subject of ‘Refugees’ and illegal immigrants, I am of the opinion that
they should be placed in an agrarian holding facility, where they would grow
their own food, learn skills, and become educated in what it means to be an
American citizen, while they are being processed through the system.
For those who ARE actual felons and murders, they will, depending on if they
also perpetrated those or similar crimes in the United States, they would be
tried in US Federal courts, with the penalties, if convicted, weighted to the
maximum sentence according to the crime or crimes they are convicted of.
Felons convicted of crimes exceeding twenty years incarceration, would be
sequestered in Maximum Security Hydroponic farms, to feed themselves
and other illegal immigrants. Those convicted of crimes requiring the
death penalty would be given the option to be executed in the US, cremated,
And ashes returned to their nation of origin,or to be turned over to the judicial
system of their native country, along with both the evidence from their native
country, and the court documents and evidence from the US, for disposition in
that native country.
Those who don’t have a criminal background would likewise only be allowed to
stay in the US in the Maximum Security Agrarian Communities, during their cases
being processed, or be shipped back to their native countries, at their choice, or if
they sufficiently violate the rules and regulations of these facilities. While work
release programs would be available, (for which they would be paid according to
the quality of their work, as well as advancing their their cases in the queue)
intentionally escaping from the facility or work release program, unless due to
disaster circumstances, would result in the immediate expulsion from the US,
either to their native country or South America, dependant on whether the native
country will receive them or not. They would also, unless pardoned by the US
government, be marked as persona non grata, and immediately be shipped into
Mexico. The third time they were to trespass into the US, a bounty would be
placed on their apprehension, allowing bounty hunters to capture and return
them to ICE.
None of these illegal immigrants would be allow to vote in any government
election processes or ballots involving communities outside of their MSAC
Facilities.
As they complete their processing and gain their citizenship, they would be
allowed to leave those facilities, or become part of the facility personnel.
Essentially, the idea is to help them become part of the US society, while
providing them the training, and education which would allow them to
become citizens, and be able to become self supporting.
Corporations would also help to operate these facilities for both tax
Incentives as well as to provide trained personnel for their own
companies.
Do as you're told... Empress.
I was going to say, no more politics, but dammit, they stole my idea!
I first suggested this plan (eh, mostly. The taxpayer should pay for NOTHING!)
back in 2015 after Trump got elected:
https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/22/an-effective-plan-for-illegal-immigrants-would-incentivize-self-deportation/
Make illegals deport themselves.
It was a good idea, and if certain people didn’t want the extra voters,
is should have been kept up. I’m quite sure things are going to change
very soon for those whiny pains in the arse very soon. I just hope laws
are made to prevent using the courts like they have been, I seen some
promising comments by a dem about that. Yeah I know, he wasn’t a far L.
My plan was:
All financial aid for people here illegally stops now.
Any entity which provides aid after today will receive no Federal money.
You have sixty days to leave.
Those who leave will be placed second on a list to return if you are good.
Behind those already in line to enter legally,
or who apply to enter without ever having been here illegally.
Anyone caught here after sixty days will be jailed for one year,
then deported and never allowed to legally return.
Anyone who returns illegally will serve five years. In prison.
North of the Arctic circle.
No, Conservatives are NOT anti-immigrant.
Yes, we want and need immigrants who will respect all of our laws.
Or you could just put everybody who isn’t a citizen or have a
valid green card or visa to the wall. Put it on the evening news.
I figure the self-deportation would pick up steam real quick!
Maybe not “to the wall”.
But a trebuchet would also make
a fine self deportation example.
Oklahoma made an effort at this when they passed a very strict
document verification law. Greyhound had to put on extra busses
to carry out all the undocumented types. And then, of course, a
federal judge told them they couldn’t do it, and it all fell apart.
Gotta love those federal judges.
Amazing how many of them are wanna-be lawmakers.
i would add,.
“Refugees” must give up country allegiance.!!
you left for a reason.!
you can’t build your old country here..
The problem with Muslims is that isn’t how they operate.
as already stated,. Muslim is it’s own issue.!!
My perception and knowledge might be wrong, so correct me if I’m
wrong about something.
Isn’t it also the problem that these illegals are being employed illegally?
Below minimum wage?
Last I heard many businesses in the USA would go bankrupt without
these illegals or at least make a lot less profit? Which would impact the
economy and of course taxes.
I don’t see that problem being addressed in that proposal. Funny thing
is I never heard it being addressed whenever this is discussed in the USA.
If no one employed them illegally, fewer would come, right?
Of course, if someone wants to inflate the already insane numbers of people
incarcerated in the USA and the below minimum wage workforce it creates,
taking more jobs away from US citizens working on the taxpayer’s money?
This proposal sounds about right to me.
Let’s not forget that some of those people could find life in US prisons,
as bad as it is preferable to the living conditions they have at home.
Like I said, I might have gotten things wrong not living in the USA and
not having all the details.
That would have to be the second prong,
knowingly doing business with anyone
here illegally would be punished according to law.
Employing, renting to, selling to… Anything.
Laws would have to be enforced, of course.
References from citizens would weigh heavily
on someone’s odds of getting a green card.
I can think of several illegals that
I would gladly sponsor, in fact.
I’d like to have them here…
But only if they respect our laws.
As far as prisons go, I prefer our system where I
can not be convicted of a crime for… speaking.
Unlike in Europe. I can’t find the reference,
but for example, the woman who pointed out on
social media that the man who raped a fourteen
year old girl was a Muslim got more time in jail
for “hate speech” than the Muslim got for rape.
Now that’s insane!
It is also cultural suicide.
I hope Europeans enjoy living under Sharia law,
because that is where they’re headed.
The Red Gold factory I worked at would hire “migrant workers”
every year for harvest, and had a string of single room motel-
style rentals for some of them, but each room would have as
many as 8 to 14 people come out of each room before shift
change, and a whole different group filing in after shift change.
NONE of them spoke English, and would get very angry is you
tried to look in those windows from the parking lot they were
next to. As far as any taxes collected from these people go,
most of them would send their money to their families, so
no gain for any of us, Just their counties that they came from.
I knew a guy from a warehouse job that was a legal migrant
and he explained to me what they were doing, While he was
doing the same he went through the process and got a work
visa and paid taxes, the ones at RG was not, they were paid
in cash. When I tried to ask a few questions around, my boss
told me to butt out or start looking for another job…
Which I did.
It has long been said that the subject of illegal immigration is one
of those on which both sides will betray the common American.
The Democrats will, because they see it as their long-term plan
on majority rule. And the Republicans will, because they see it
as a source of inexpensive labor. Now, an important point.
Illegals are not necessarily working for below minimum wage.
In fact, in many cases, they’re making good money. But just
the fact that there are enough of them to skew wages is important.
If they weren’t in the labor market, Americans would have to do
those jobs. Would they, for the available pay? Would wages rise
due to labor shortages? Would labor shortages drive more
employment off-shore? These are questions that plague the
political discourse in America.
It’s not just the migrants, in ’78 they shut down all but one steel
mill in my area, thousands of steel workers were forced to take
jobs that were normally one’s the HS grads would take. so getting
a job was insanely difficult. I worked so many part-time and short
term jobs it wasn’t funny. I can see this current issue repeating
those days all over again.
Hmmm… A group of kids and/or young adults in hiding? I hope
they don’t make a mess of things, the most help you’ll get is
right there!!
Heheh… Sgt. Birov is smiling again, are we going to get to
see the result of the vomit/diarrhea agents? Tsk, tsk, Teresa,
you should know better in a combat situation! Ah well, she’s
just out of practice.
He’s grinning at the thought of anyone trying
to hand hold a .50 cal. Or a mortar…
I’ve never fired anything full auto but I hear the recoil from a .50cal is huge.
One of my cousins has a Desert Eagle in .50AE and he says his wrist is sore
for days after just a few rounds. I cannot imagine what kind of recoil a
.50BMG in full auto would have. I figure they put full-on machine guns on
tripods or vehicle mounts for a reason! Those guys are going to be a greater
risk to their own side than anybody else.
Yes, you can tell these clowns got their training from watching
poorly written action movies, just like people think a car door
is enough protection for ANY firearm round.
That uzi I fired was crazy, it was all I could do to hold it, much
less aim, so the jam was actually helpful in that regard. And
it was a small round, can’t remember what it was though. Didn’t
matter how strong you are, if you’re not ready for the recoil,
it’s bad news.
Uzi? Most likely 9mm.
To be honest? It was the guy’s “project”, so
who knows what all mods he did, I’ll bet I
was a guinea pig for him. I know they have
a high rate of fire, but damn! My thumb throbbed
for days after, but it was a blast. It needed
a fore grip.
actually the UZI came in 4 calibers…
.22 conversion,. or barrel/mag swap.
9mm,. most common.
.45,. not popular due to so many others.
.41AE.. one of the ‘new’ (89) rounds
that never got a foot hold…
I think it was 9mm, I’ve fired both,
and the kick was closer to my 9mm
hand gun. Just a WHOLE lot faster!
It’s been decades since I did that,
and I got old
I was recently reading an article on the
history of the Luger P08, with its knee
toggle action. I was wondering what it
would be like if it had been built up to
45ACP levels (besides the two that had
been built for the 1908 US Army trials –
Browning’s 1911 eventually won).
Anyway, more poking, and by golly!
Someone DOES make a P08 in 45ACP.
At $5K a pop, rather pricey, but still..
I knew someone who had one.
The knee toggle gives it a soft recoil,
and the grip angle makes it a natural pointer.
The muzzle flip is actually less than a 1911.
But it only feeds hardball reliably.
It does not like hollow points.
I wish I could afford one.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt that I load to
near Casull levels.
300gr bullet at 1300fps. I know the feeling of recoil.
That solid punch to the palm feels good.
But yeah, I feel it for a few days afterwards.
My Blackhawk is a .45 Convertible. Both ACP and Colt cylinders.
Had a bit of an issue finding loads in each that shoot to the same
POA=POI. But I’m using 255gr bullets in the Colt loads. If I were
to go to 300gr on the Colt loads I would need to bump the powder
charge to shoot to the same POA=POI. Umm . . . probably not.
The 255s thump my hand quite enough, thankyouverymuch.
Though the 300s would smack the bowling pins a bit harder.
Swamp water is chocked-full of microbes and parasites,
dysentery is the lighter side of drinking it. I made that
mistake bog fishing long ago, didn’t bring anything to drink…
I was sick for weeks!
Too slow to act on the invaders?
I’m thinking that the swamp water is laced
with something a little quicker acting,
but not harmful to the native flora and
fauna.
As is said here, “the cat sayth nothing”.
Or, from RAH, “SiaSL”, “Waiting is”.
Ah, but re-read exactly what he said:
“They’ll be drinking from the swamp.
It has some nasty surprises for them.”
I read that as POSSIBLY saying
the SWAMP has nasty surprises,
not necessarily in the drinking therefrom,
but in the attempt to acquire water therefrom.
Or something.
You can wick filter it, and then boil it. It’s why we are thinking
it’s been laced with something too. Those fancy insta-filters
that claim you can drink your own piss with them are nice, but
you burn through the filters fast, they were intended as
survival use only. I think bears and crocodiles would work as
well and not harm environment.
True, but without medical care… Anyway I had the same thought,
that it was laced with something. Keep in mind too, swamps are
pretty much “waste-water” from the dead animal/plant life AND
the waste from the living animals. Yes it’s sewer water… Some
towns and cities have actually started to run the filtered waste
water through swamps. it’s nature’s filter.
hence,. why i carry a couple water tabs…
after a few times being without … (water, power, food, etc…)
back in 75 i started carrying a B.O.B. ( tho not called that)
and thanks to “webelos” an pouches, i started a utility belt.
one friend said i’d make Batman jealous…
oh and filter.. charcoal (crushed), sand, gravel,. or rocky soil
filtered through cloth. for every gallon i still a drop of bleach..
or boil it…
Rob, I’ve been a prepped for many years after having been
through hurricanes, earthquakes, winter blizzards, (Indian
Head, Md. 1978 & Claremore, Ok. 2010, both 3 feet plus)
at least four tornados and the occasional flood, I’ve kind
of come to expect stuff like that, and started preparing
for such situations.
While I don’t EXPECT there to be a nuclear war or a CME
storm, I’ve tried to be ready, just in case.
Although, after the latest tornado through Claremore,
which, shockingly, I was out of state for,
I’ve learned I need to add a few items to my toolkit,
so there’s that…
On the subject of ‘Refugees’ and illegal immigrants, I am of the opinion that
they should be placed in an agrarian holding facility, where they would grow
their own food, learn skills, and become educated in what it means to be an
American citizen, while they are being processed through the system.
For those who ARE actual felons and murders, they will, depending on if they
also perpetrated those or similar crimes in the United States, they would be
tried in US Federal courts, with the penalties, if convicted, weighted to the
maximum sentence according to the crime or crimes they are convicted of.
Felons convicted of crimes exceeding twenty years incarceration, would be
sequestered in Maximum Security Hydroponic farms, to feed themselves
and other illegal immigrants. Those convicted of crimes requiring the
death penalty would be given the option to be executed in the US, cremated,
And ashes returned to their nation of origin,or to be turned over to the judicial
system of their native country, along with both the evidence from their native
country, and the court documents and evidence from the US, for disposition in
that native country.
Those who don’t have a criminal background would likewise only be allowed to
stay in the US in the Maximum Security Agrarian Communities, during their cases
being processed, or be shipped back to their native countries, at their choice, or if
they sufficiently violate the rules and regulations of these facilities. While work
release programs would be available, (for which they would be paid according to
the quality of their work, as well as advancing their their cases in the queue)
intentionally escaping from the facility or work release program, unless due to
disaster circumstances, would result in the immediate expulsion from the US,
either to their native country or South America, dependant on whether the native
country will receive them or not. They would also, unless pardoned by the US
government, be marked as persona non grata, and immediately be shipped into
Mexico. The third time they were to trespass into the US, a bounty would be
placed on their apprehension, allowing bounty hunters to capture and return
them to ICE.
None of these illegal immigrants would be allow to vote in any government
election processes or ballots involving communities outside of their MSAC
Facilities.
As they complete their processing and gain their citizenship, they would be
allowed to leave those facilities, or become part of the facility personnel.
Essentially, the idea is to help them become part of the US society, while
providing them the training, and education which would allow them to
become citizens, and be able to become self supporting.
Corporations would also help to operate these facilities for both tax
Incentives as well as to provide trained personnel for their own
companies.