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TGW-1096

Chapter: Beginnings
Characters: alex, capt harris, capt te'gin, cissy, crew, mr riley, tracey
Location: jewelry store, jump point
└ Tags: a pacifist, stay on target

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  1. Bill Mullins
    May 15, 2023, 21:46 | # | Reply

    Okay, Catman, who is this “Lion” Leonard fellow? I went to look him up and the only
    WWII CMH winners with a last name of Leonard got theirs for service in Europe. I just
    wanted to look the guy up and read about him. My father-in-law was a B-24 top gunner
    who won an all expenses paid vacation to one of those posh resort communities the
    3rd Reich operated in Poland. What was his name?

    • Petercat
      May 15, 2023, 22:13 | # | Reply

      I made him up. Finding a Pacific War Medal of Honor winner
      who’d retired to Louisiana would have been impossible.
      And his grand daughter would have raised hell with me for
      the way I described her. I know enough women who hate me,
      no sense in looking for trouble.

      • Curtis
        May 16, 2023, 00:08 | # | Reply

        You have chosen wisely, Petercat.

        • Petercat
          May 16, 2023, 01:00 | # | Reply

          I replied to a comment somewhere about learning from other peoples’ mistakes:
          “That’s why men are no longer getting married.”
          Every upvote was by a man.
          Every downvote was by a woman.

          • me
            May 16, 2023, 01:10 | # | Reply

            I’d have a mathematical solution for the conundrum all women are getting
            married but none of the men are.

            • Petercat
              May 16, 2023, 01:34 | # | Reply

              Men in general, not all men.

              • me
                May 16, 2023, 03:03 | # | Reply

                Yeah. I was just kiddin’

                It’s just that I find it rather funny how some things that literally take one
                of each are sometimes differentiated like “men are cheating more often
                then women”, or sometimes even implying that ALL men are cheaters
                and no women would ever do it.

                (Not implying that YOU said this, just as an example why I find it … funny)

                As for marriages: in my experience it’s more like the other way around, decades
                ago a woman always needed a man to provide for her and thus they were very
                interested on “securing him”.

                Nowadays they’re generally more independent, so they’re less inclined to bind
                themselves to a husband – and more easily able to walk away if things just don’t
                work out (being a single parent still isn’t easy … but it’s way easier then in the
                1950’s)

              • Scarsdale
                May 16, 2023, 03:10 | # | Reply

                That’s mostly due to the collage girls having outrageous expectations on who
                they would date/marry, I heard this too often and it’s silly, a good part of the
                men they describe would likely have no interest in them. Which explains why
                men aren’t getting married, few meet their expectations. I call them out for just
                wanting a sugar daddy, one they can divorce later and play the cougar roll later
                in life. Pre-nup guys, prenup… It’s just for bragging rights as much as anything.

                • me
                  May 16, 2023, 03:48 | # | Reply

                  That pretty much works (or rather doesn’t) the other way ’round, too.

                  A nice strip I found a few years back sums it up perfectly:

                  —–
                  “I just found the perfect girlfriend for me”
                  …
                  …
                  “Only trouble is: she’s looking for her perfect boyfriend”
                  —-

                  I think it’s because we all are so used to being fed unrealistic
                  expectations, like that there’s supposed to be one perfect
                  soulmate for everybody. Or that everybody is looking like all those
                  perfectly styled pictures on name-your-platform-here or in the ads.

                  Ever heard a parent say “no, love, all the others are just as flawed
                  as you, and you will never find Mr./Miss Just-Exactly-Perfect – but there’s
                  probably thousands of matches for you, who’d accept you just the
                  way you are able to do the same”?

                  Instead we’re telling each other that we’re always “deserve more”.

                  • Petercat
                    May 16, 2023, 05:08 | # | Reply

                    The way I heard it, a woman searched for years for the perfect man.
                    When she found him, he said “Sorry, lady. I’m looking for the
                    perfect woman.”
                    Neither was ever satisfied.

                    • me
                      May 16, 2023, 06:47 | #

                      Symmetry

                  • Petercat
                    May 16, 2023, 05:13 | # | Reply

                    I think the problem is that too many people believe that not
                    only can they have it all, they also believe that they deserve it.
                    It’s hard to have a solid relationship with anyone when you are
                    more concerned with your own satisfaction than you are with theirs.

                    • me
                      May 16, 2023, 06:55 | #

                      I really loath the “(s)he deserve(s|d) it” or “did not deserve this” …

                      People born with privileges usually did nothing to “deserve” them.
                      People born without them don’t “deserve” to be shoved everything
                      over to them either.
                      Nor do they “deserve” to stay poor and hungry for the rest of
                      their lives without ever getting a real chance of improving their
                      status.

                      Somehow worst are some true crime shows or reports about trials.
                      It always seems to me that they’re trying to prove how the victims did
                      not “deserve” to killed – more as they’re trying to prove who actually
                      committed the deed.

                      “She’s always been such a sweet child, never disrespectful to her mother!
                      She didn’t deserve to be raped and murdered!”

                      Yeah. Right. And if she ever dared to speak her own mind, it would’ve been
                      less wrong?

                    • Petercat
                      May 16, 2023, 16:58 | #

                      My comment was specifically about the type of people who
                      graduate from University and think they deserve to start
                      at the top with a six-figure income.
                      The women who think they deserve an apocalyptic man
                      (A 666 man – 6 foot tall, 6 pack abs, 6 figure income).
                      The men who think they deserve a fashion model who cooks,
                      cleans, and fetches beer on demand.
                      Basically, people who think they deserve much more than
                      they’ve earned.
                      I have no problem with people who’ve inherited wealth,
                      unless they use that wealth to hurt others. But that’s
                      common, wealthy or not.
                      After all, it was not a man of privilege that I hired to
                      build my fence who stole my tools and skipped out.

                    • Scarsdale
                      May 16, 2023, 11:01 | #

                      No one really “deserves” any treatment they didn’t like, however there
                      are always exceptions. In most cases when someone demands they
                      deserves something it’s just entitlement, “I deserve a raise” or ” I deserve
                      only the best (insert them demand)” without any reason other than
                      “I deserve”. When I was a mechanic the Union and the company were
                      told by the mechanics that we were all going to go back the production
                      or quit because they were only paying us 25 cents more an hour more
                      than production. So the company to avoid the headache of dealing with
                      the rest of the workers (who were mostly unskilled) added a clause that
                      they had the right to change any pay scale they choose. After the next
                      contract was signed, that clause went through and a week later all the
                      mechanics got a $2 an hour raise. Oh the outcry! One guy just about
                      attacked me simply because he felt that everyone should get that raise.
                      I told the ass ” Can you fix that conveyor oven if it breaks down” “no”
                      Do you know how to replace the stamping press’s bed plate?” “well no but..”
                      “Well I do and deal with any fire anywhere in the plant so unless you take
                      the TO learn how like I did, shut up, walk away, and take it to your union
                      rep, NOT me. (he storms off in a huff) I had the same conversations many
                      times by people demanding they deserve the same raise the mechanics got.

                    • me
                      May 16, 2023, 23:43 | #

                      @PC: people who graduate from Uni usually had invested
                      at least some kind of time, work and talent into it.
                      It’s their own achievement to at least some degree.

                      Just having money does not always require having achieved
                      anything.

                    • Petercat
                      May 16, 2023, 23:54 | #

                      It really doesn’t matter, it’s the end result that counts.
                      I could invest time, work and talent into digging a hole
                      in my yard then filling it in, using talent to make it
                      appear as if a hole had never been dug. But in the end,
                      my efforts would be wasted.
                      Or a graduate of SCAD could create a perfect work of art,
                      but if no one wants to buy it, what is it worth?
                      I had this discussion with an artist once, who claimed
                      that the Government (us taxpayers) should give him money
                      because he created beauty that benefited everyone.
                      My response?
                      “If you truly created beauty, then people would pay for it.”
                      The conversation went downhill rapidly from there.
                      The value of an object is not set by the creator, but by
                      the customer.

                    • Petercat
                      May 17, 2023, 00:11 | #

                      To make the statement complete:

                      The creator determines the price.
                      The customer determines the value.

                  • Jochi
                    May 16, 2023, 11:16 | # | Reply

                    Soul mates exist, but they’re not found, they’re grown. And it takes two (or more)
                    people working together each with the other’s happiness first in their mind. It’s
                    not easy but it’s worth it. (Same is true of living with a redhead. I’ve done both.
                    Same woman.)

                    • me
                      May 16, 2023, 16:27 | #

                      When I said “soul mates” I was referring to the naive fairy
                      tale that there’s one and exactly one perfect match for every
                      single person on the planet.

                      The guy from xkcd.com had quite some fun playing with this
                      idea while back, ultimately speculating about “what if you and your
                      soul mate don’t even share the same time” …
                      (If there’s exactly one for me, how do I know she’s alive at the moment?
                      Maybe she’ll be born another 500 years from now?)

                      Bottom line: the idea sounds sweet, but it would mean most of us ending
                      up lonely (by several orders of magnitude)

                    • Scarsdale
                      May 16, 2023, 18:39 | #

                      In my experience, soulmates do exist mainly because from the moment I met
                      my wife I knew she was mine, however it took my wife a couple of years to
                      realize I was hers because before she met me she was used by many simply
                      because she was very pretty and trusting. after a few years she accepted
                      that I was different and would never mistreat her.
                      I was happy to wait the time out because it was worth it! Being with someone
                      that was abused and mistreated takes a lot of patience and understanding
                      I never believed in the “damaged goods” idea, she was just handed a rough
                      time before I “saved” her. It was actually her that saved me, after I met her I
                      couldn’t get her out of my head and never have for one minute. She helped
                      me to feel for someone again after what happened to that girl I mentioned.

      • TubT
        December 27, 2025, 13:36 | # | Reply

        You COULD have gone with Desmond Doss. He was a southerner
        and ultimately retired to Alabama. And virtually everyone in his
        family circle were, indeed, raging pacifists.

  2. me
    May 16, 2023, 01:11 | # | Reply

    My spell checking capabilities are getting worse still 🙁

  3. Scarsdale
    May 16, 2023, 03:27 | # | Reply

    That great-grand daughter sounds like a “Karen” expecting everyone to obey
    her way of thinking. So-called “pacifists” tend to be the most violent, to anyone
    that doesn’t agree with them. They also tend to be racists as well. NOT a nice
    person…

    These core ships are commanded by morons, thinking they can get away with
    overwhelming power in battle. Anyone with the slightest idea of tactics would
    know that entering an Imperial space would be met with strong defense. They’d
    rather pretend it’s all a lie and they can do whatever they want, when they want.
    I hope this conflict is ended fast and furiously without anyone escaping, so no
    one can get info on the situation and try to think of a successful tactic. This scare
    tactic isn’t going to work anymore, not with how the Impmerc fleets and the Imperial
    fleets are training their crews.

  4. Jochi
    May 16, 2023, 11:28 | # | Reply

    Has PC told us what system this is? It’s one with at least two known wormholes, so not Terra/Sol
    unless something’s changed, and they are apparently close enough together that a patrol craft is
    keeping an eye on both of them, so probably not Catia (I’m less sure about this one). My point is,
    do the incoming Core ships KNOW they are entering Imperial space?

    • Petercat
      May 16, 2023, 17:05 | # | Reply

      This is not Imperial territory, it is an unclaimed world that
      is on a minor trade route. The Sparrow was there just checking
      things out before they moved to another system. Using their
      mass detector to search for more wormholes.
      Terra/Sol started with two known wormholes, but they’ve been
      busily searching for more. Have they found any?
      The Cat sayeth nothing.

      • Scarsdale
        May 16, 2023, 19:03 | # | Reply

        Ah I had assumed is all, my mistake.

      • Jochi
        May 17, 2023, 18:44 | # | Reply

        The Sol system has two known wormholes? I know the first one found goes to Catia.
        Where does the second one go and when was it discovered? Last I remember, Catia
        had 3, Northern Worlds/Lamia, Southern Worlds, and “Dragon Space”/Sol.

  5. notStanley
    May 16, 2023, 14:41 | # | Reply

    I keep wondering where Alex got that … colourful … pack.
    Did he borrow it from someones little sister?

    • Petercat
      May 16, 2023, 17:09 | # | Reply

      It’s Cissy’s. One of the first things Alex bought her
      when they arrived. He’s being a gentleman.
      But then, he’s pretty self-secure.
      She only had the clothes she was wearing, and a small
      suitcase. A quickly packed bugout bag with no clothing
      and a bare handful of female items.

    • Scarsdale
      May 16, 2023, 18:44 | # | Reply

      When you care for someone like he does her, you quickly stop worrying
      about how doing something might look to the world. Buying feminine items
      like pads or douches, holding the purse while she’s trying on clothes,
      and so on. He’s already accepted that role with a vengeance!

  6. Ned Moore
    May 16, 2023, 15:08 | # | Reply

    Not really entering the discussion . . But have to give Jochi’s
    11:16 comment a rousing AMEN!
    And now to say I used to do extensive pre-marriage counselling
    with couple to include the T/J Temperament Analysis and/or the
    Keirsey Temperament sorter.
    Looking to be able to show them possible communication conflict
    areas. Even when they verbalized understanding –
    Seems their pre-ordered ways still were not helped.
    So I said – You run into problems, come and lets talk. A few
    actually did. Some of those learned a bit as we basically worked
    on it the way Jochi has described..
    I finally learned to stopped trying to take responsibility for
    their relationship – took a real load off.
    People are gonna do what they want . . .
    And yeah, I met some Bridezillas’ mothers . . . shaped the kid,
    they did. Did the services, I did not.
    An LCA Pastor friend stopped doing weddings and joined the Army
    as a Chaplain – met up with him later.

    • Scarsdale
      May 16, 2023, 21:38 | # | Reply

      There’s a fine line between a bridezilla and the timid, “lets get this
      over, I hate crowds.” My wife was the latter, she was so embarrassed
      she about crushed my hand when she got to the alter. I guess she
      was worried someone was going to laugh at her or poke fun. Her
      family was bad about that.
      My elder sister was the bridezilla, but she’s a “Karen” so it was expected.
      Nit-picked everything and made changes and told no one until it HAD to
      be done NOW. Even the Pastor was fed up.

  7. Ned Moore
    May 16, 2023, 17:02 | # | Reply

    PC – Friend Story Teller –
    Re: Panel Two – Technically and Traditionally;
    One does not “win” a Medal of Honor . . .
    The person is a Recipient of, and awarded the honor, on the basis
    of what took place, as reviewed by many others.
    AKA – this is the ultimate acknowledgement of behaviors under fire
    of one who laid it all on the line –
    explaining why so very many are awarded posthumously.

    I truly mean you no disrespect – but it is a sadly common misinterpretation of it.
    (Even my DFC wandered in, unexpectedly, after the smoke cleared
    and the dust settled, and the pinch marks on the seat cushion
    reverted to original appearance.)

    • Petercat
      May 16, 2023, 17:20 | # | Reply

      You are absolutely correct, in my mind I used the word “earned” and
      typed the word “won” instead.
      And that second paragraph first line was unnecessary. You don’t
      need to CYA when correcting me.
      Thanks for pointing it out. Changing it now.

      • Ned Moore
        May 16, 2023, 18:05 | # | Reply

        PC – not so much trying for CYA –
        but to say to any who might read it – to know:
        I wanted to ensure you knew of and received all due respect
        – which you truly have earned in all that you do for us.
        . . . . talk about “above and beyond” in story telling –
        yours truly separates you from the pack.

        • Petercat
          May 16, 2023, 18:08 | # | Reply

          Which is why I don’t remove critical comments like yours.
          So new readers will know that I want to be corrected when I fuck up.
          (By the way, I edited your comment for line length.)

  8. Petercat
    May 16, 2023, 18:20 | # | Reply

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    https://www.anycubic.com/?syclid=chi02d6f216mjtlnqp1g&utm_campaign=emailmarketing_147710443682&utm_medium=email&utm_source=shopify_email
    I can certainly vouch for the quality of their resin printers, although
    I haven’t used mine much.

    • Scarsdale
      May 16, 2023, 18:58 | # | Reply

      I just looked, it’s mostly sold out. ;(

      • Petercat
        May 16, 2023, 23:45 | # | Reply

        Send them a message, ask about a raincheck. Their CS is pretty good.
        Point to this page, maybe I’ll get a free bottle of resin!

        • Scarsdale
          May 17, 2023, 01:12 | # | Reply

          It’s worth a shot, I’ll let you know if they get back to me.
          I’ve had to put things on the back burner for a while, with
          my wife breaking her hip and needing a new one, we’re
          into the hospitals (counting mine) for about $5,000. the
          final bill for my wife was $133,000 before ins. Mine was
          just over $74,000 but medicare covered less on me, go figure.

  9. SFCGator
    May 16, 2023, 21:17 | # | Reply

    Electronic Warfare Intercept Analyst here. 12,000K is nothing in
    space and our current RADAR tech has a lot greater range. FYI the
    APOLLO missions were tracked to the moon and back which is a
    heckofa lot further. May I make a suggestion? Your ships should
    have a station dedicated to Electronic Warfare with an EW Officer
    and Senior NCO along with the crews to man the stations. All of
    our major ships have such as well as Air Force and Army units.
    Look up MOS 98J, that was my forte. Star Treks Uhura kind of
    served in that role but she was a communications officer, You’d
    see Spock at his Science station often reporting on various
    signals. RADAR Telemetry and many other electromagnetic signal
    emanations are known as Noncommunication. The EW station should
    have a full crew complement able to man three shifts with a
    minimum of two personnel. Of course depending on the ships
    compliment one of the positions could be manned by the EW NCOIC.
    And of course the Officer could be a Warrant and may even wear
    more that one hat, would normally be on the shift with the
    commanding officer. Actually you could mix that several different
    ways. In total the EW compliment should be a minimum of twelve
    people and better fifteen. A good EW operator with the proper
    equipment could spoof hostile RADAR in several ways. Here’s an
    interesting technique:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_gate_pull-off

    Also foreign ships may be identified by signal parameters. If you
    want to pursue this in any manner please feel free to use me as a
    reference and ask away.

    • Petercat
      May 16, 2023, 22:50 | # | Reply

      Edited for line length.
      Could radar track the Apollo missions if they were set up for stealth?
      IIRC, everything had radar reflectors mounted on them to make them
      easier to track. Imperial ships do have countermeasures, but the long
      range patrol ships have very small crews, with Engineering and co-pilot
      they have five men. Most of their countermeasures are automatic.
      Thanks for the offer, will consult with you.

      • SFCGator
        May 18, 2023, 00:42 | # | Reply

        If you look at the Apollo spacecraft they could not at all be
        stealthy and why would you want them to be? You would want
        them to be very traceable to prove what you are doing.

        • Petercat
          May 18, 2023, 03:04 | # | Reply

          You just made my point for me.
          12,000K is nothing in space against a vehicle that is designed to be seen by radar.
          But a ship that is designed to be as stealthy as possible, the detection range would
          be much shorter.
          The Core radar would have to be very, very good to pick up a
          stealthed ship at 12,000K.

    • Petercat
      May 16, 2023, 23:02 | # | Reply

      Once AI production ramps up, can you imagine an AI that can walk
      into his ship, plug into the ship’s systems, and boost his clock speed?
      They normally keep it pretty low to make interacting with biobods
      easier.

      • Scarsdale
        May 17, 2023, 01:33 | # | Reply

        That is an interesting point, given how little is openly known
        as to how the AI brains are made. I doubt they are a standard
        CPU setup, they just can’t run that many operations at once.

        I overclocked a CPU once and it ran for just over a year until
        the water cooler developed a leak, those early water coolers
        weren’t made as well as I’d like. It used tubing and hose clamps
        rather than the hydraulic compression fitting my new one does.
        My current system has a very nice one except the radiator fan
        should be better, and it takes A LOT of cleaning to keep it working
        well. First time I cleaned it I felt I need a whip and a chair to keep
        the dust-bunnies at bay! 8-80cm fans build up dust fast.

        • Petercat
          May 17, 2023, 01:53 | # | Reply

          In my old system, I have more intake fans than exhaust fans for
          positive case pressure, with air conditioner filter foam over the
          intakes. I built the thing in 2016 and the interior and fans are
          spotless. Two 140mm and three 80mm intake, one 120mm (GPU radiator)
          rear and one 80mm top exhaust, plus the 120mm PSU fan. Positive
          pressure means that any leaks in the case blow out, not suck in.
          And I have three 40mm filtered in a DVD bay. Air flow is my
          friend.
          In the new one, I have three 140 and two 120mm filtered intake and
          three 140mm exhaust (Two on the CPU radiator, I’ll probably add
          two more in a push-pull) , plus the PSU. It needs more intake
          fans.

          • Scarsdale
            May 17, 2023, 04:21 | # | Reply

            Mine has 4-8cm intake fans, 3 in the front and one in the top. 1 on the radiator,
            2 on the GPU, and one on the chipset. No DVD or wifi, it’s purely an on-line gamer.
            I rarely get lag on any game but the CAD programs do tax it at times. It’s got an
            i7 8700k and a 1080ti GPU. I need to add a DVD and a WIFI, my days of competitive
            game play are over ;(. I’d love to max out the ram and upgrade to the 3080ti,
            maybe if I win the lotto lol.

            • Petercat
              May 17, 2023, 19:37 | # | Reply

              Please tell me that your 1080ti is water cooled and you want to sell it!
              Check out the 3060, it’s fairly inexpensive. And it’s much better than the 1080ti.
              I have two of them in my new computer, and it renders six times as fast.

              Oh, and your top-mounted 80mm? You should reverse it. Hot air collects in
              the top of the case, an exhaust fan will suck it out. That’s probably where
              you’re getting most of your dust, too.
              If you can mount more fans, let me know. I have plenty of spares sitting in
              a box.

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