Good. Integrity. Will NOT give up a historical blade for anything.
If the son is real (and not a test) and sincere,
let him get his own knife, and start his own history.
If the father is sincere, let him help with a knife and history,
instead of trying to buy someone else’s history.
Unless (as alluded above) this is a
test of integrity between warriors.
If he’s wanting to give history to his son he should use something
from his own family this could be a test it would make sense,
if the P’tera want to understand the Catians better.
this is how I would do it.
And now Jim is getting the reason why they were fighting him so hard.
Pity someone had to spell it out for him. Those tree huggers I
mentioned a while back were the same they just decided the owner was
stealing the land to make money, which was partly true but it was HIS
land to do with as he seen fit. Not public land like they thought.
A lousy 10 acres next to a town that was rapidly growing and lacked
enough store fronts in. I have a hunch they had a party/camp spot
in those woods that they didn’t want to lose is all!
Here’s something I think all the Vets here might want to read: https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-rise-of-wokeness-in-the-military/
The title is in the link. The very end is telling,
“If Americans perceive that the military is being exploited for
political purposes or being used for experiments in woke social
policies, that support will evaporate,
and the consequences will be dire.
My hope and my prayer are that we figure this out before it is too late. ”
(Me, too. BM)
I wondered at the fact that the ownership of the land wasn’t
changing — Jim’s corporation would only be getting a lease
that would be linked to the lease for the commercial forest.
I also assumed the offer to trade intel for the knife was a test,
but it may have been a test of whether Palas’s first loyalty was
to his clan and history or his species and its future.
Regardless, a better price must be found,
Palas can’t agree to give what is not his to give.
Carl’s family has preserved that land for generations. He’s not
about to turn over ownership and control to an organization
who’s leadership and goals could change in the future.
The lack of property taxes makes that an easy choice.
Exactly my thought,
I deleted about half that reply for the sake of space.
There is no way Carl can assume Jim will not change
or lose control of his corporation.
Interesting that both stories touch on the importance
of inherited family legacy at the same time.
There’s something I’ve been meaning to ask for a while now.
How does possessing property even work in your setting?
Did records of who owned what somehow survive the fall?
As I recall there was a worldwide collapse of information infrastructure
which killed off all the old governments.
And what about all that conquering and confiscating? Does the Empire
bother to always find out if there might be someone who might have a
“title” to anything they acquire?
What about stuff that once was government property?
as said earlier,, they (the four founders) knew the fall
was going to happen (not when)..
so King (crime lord) got control of the bank, and
surrounding area. so he had the records..
and,, in a few instances , they traded / bartered for a
facility / area of land..
Property rights are pretty much inviolate – there is no forfeiture or eminent domain.
No government can seize property for any reason, except as a result of a criminal
conviction, when that property must be sold and the funds added to a crime
victims’ compensation fund (privately run) or given outright to the victims as
compensation, as with the hotel on Catia..
When the Empire expands, anyone in possession is presumed to be the owner.
If the property is owned by another, they can contest that assumption. In cases
like the paper mill, where the ownership was by a distant entity, that entity is
free to claim it. But since there were actually very few survivors of The Fall
outside of enclaves like Jerico, that isn’t likely. Robert will hire people to get the
paper mill running with an offer of sale to them if they wish. If not, then he will
open up the sale to others.
The only “private” business the Empire will own is asteroid mining and space
construction. It provides most of the Empire’s income, which keeps taxes low.
Kingdoms and smaller governments own no interest in any business.
I’m taking special pleasure in Shehar’s use of
phrases like “Short Bus” and “Special Ed”.
Somewhat surprising that she would know them,
but it shows she has some close friends
on the human side of the population.
PC has told us before he is translating Catian (and probably Lamian) speech into
North American English. She may have used equivalent figures of speech from her
culture, or she may indeed be that well-versed in the local vernacular. Still could
get her canceled for being ableist.
Might be too many of the Catians spent some time watching old movies and picked up some of those
phrases? “Shortbus” dates back from when I was young and seen it used in a movie,
“Special ed” is something I heard from my school days.
Good. Integrity. Will NOT give up a historical blade for anything.
If the son is real (and not a test) and sincere,
let him get his own knife, and start his own history.
If the father is sincere, let him help with a knife and history,
instead of trying to buy someone else’s history.
Unless (as alluded above) this is a
test of integrity between warriors.
If he’s wanting to give history to his son he should use something
from his own family this could be a test it would make sense,
if the P’tera want to understand the Catians better.
this is how I would do it.
And now Jim is getting the reason why they were fighting him so hard.
Pity someone had to spell it out for him. Those tree huggers I
mentioned a while back were the same they just decided the owner was
stealing the land to make money, which was partly true but it was HIS
land to do with as he seen fit. Not public land like they thought.
A lousy 10 acres next to a town that was rapidly growing and lacked
enough store fronts in. I have a hunch they had a party/camp spot
in those woods that they didn’t want to lose is all!
Here’s something I think all the Vets here might want to read:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-rise-of-wokeness-in-the-military/
The title is in the link. The very end is telling,
“If Americans perceive that the military is being exploited for
political purposes or being used for experiments in woke social
policies, that support will evaporate,
and the consequences will be dire.
My hope and my prayer are that we figure this out before it is too late. ”
(Me, too. BM)
I wondered at the fact that the ownership of the land wasn’t
changing — Jim’s corporation would only be getting a lease
that would be linked to the lease for the commercial forest.
I also assumed the offer to trade intel for the knife was a test,
but it may have been a test of whether Palas’s first loyalty was
to his clan and history or his species and its future.
Regardless, a better price must be found,
Palas can’t agree to give what is not his to give.
Carl’s family has preserved that land for generations. He’s not
about to turn over ownership and control to an organization
who’s leadership and goals could change in the future.
The lack of property taxes makes that an easy choice.
Exactly my thought,
I deleted about half that reply for the sake of space.
There is no way Carl can assume Jim will not change
or lose control of his corporation.
Interesting that both stories touch on the importance
of inherited family legacy at the same time.
There’s something I’ve been meaning to ask for a while now.
How does possessing property even work in your setting?
Did records of who owned what somehow survive the fall?
As I recall there was a worldwide collapse of information infrastructure
which killed off all the old governments.
And what about all that conquering and confiscating? Does the Empire
bother to always find out if there might be someone who might have a
“title” to anything they acquire?
What about stuff that once was government property?
as said earlier,, they (the four founders) knew the fall
was going to happen (not when)..
so King (crime lord) got control of the bank, and
surrounding area. so he had the records..
and,, in a few instances , they traded / bartered for a
facility / area of land..
Property rights are pretty much inviolate – there is no forfeiture or eminent domain.
No government can seize property for any reason, except as a result of a criminal
conviction, when that property must be sold and the funds added to a crime
victims’ compensation fund (privately run) or given outright to the victims as
compensation, as with the hotel on Catia..
When the Empire expands, anyone in possession is presumed to be the owner.
If the property is owned by another, they can contest that assumption. In cases
like the paper mill, where the ownership was by a distant entity, that entity is
free to claim it. But since there were actually very few survivors of The Fall
outside of enclaves like Jerico, that isn’t likely. Robert will hire people to get the
paper mill running with an offer of sale to them if they wish. If not, then he will
open up the sale to others.
The only “private” business the Empire will own is asteroid mining and space
construction. It provides most of the Empire’s income, which keeps taxes low.
Kingdoms and smaller governments own no interest in any business.
Thank you both for clearing that up.
I’m taking special pleasure in Shehar’s use of
phrases like “Short Bus” and “Special Ed”.
Somewhat surprising that she would know them,
but it shows she has some close friends
on the human side of the population.
PC has told us before he is translating Catian (and probably Lamian) speech into
North American English. She may have used equivalent figures of speech from her
culture, or she may indeed be that well-versed in the local vernacular. Still could
get her canceled for being ableist.
Might be too many of the Catians spent some time watching old movies and picked up some of those
phrases? “Shortbus” dates back from when I was young and seen it used in a movie,
“Special ed” is something I heard from my school days.