I figure that unless one of the males pulls a knife whatever happens will be less than lethal – PAINFUL but less than lethal. I suspect Rendel is well schooled in unarmed combat and I KNOW Mala is. Those assholes don’t know it just yet but they have Mala and Rendel right where Mala wants them. Almost feel sorry for them.
John, what PC asked me about in an email was portable BUILDINGS to use as hospitals and mechanic shops, etc. in the field. My last duty station way back in ’83, was in a Tactical Air Control Center Squadron and we had inflatable buildings to provide office/work space for all the officers in a TACCS to work in. It was something akin to an inflatable quonset hut. He needs something a WHOLE lot larger than a tent. The problem with me doing CGI is I am not creative – at least not in the sense of dreaming up neat things to make. At my core I am an engineer, i.e. a problem solver. My “creativity” such as it is and minimal though it surely is, like in the direction of solutions to problems. In this case if I know what PC would like to have in the way of props, vehicles and buildings I can likely figure out a way to make it in a 3D modeler. What I put up on Deviant art yesterday was very much early visual prototypes for view and comment. I’ve been looking at large inflatable structures on line with an eye towards finding something (or elements of something) I like.
Bill, I would guess the quickest, (other than inflatable) would be a series of interlocking modular containers, (like the ones used on container ships) that can be stacked, placed parallel, etc.
As this is pretty much a standard today, modifying the design tone air tight, insulated with an environmental control system,isn’t much of a stretch. Ie Conex Boxes on steroids…
PC, I read your comment on DA. The ridges are inflatable. So what you are looking for is something like the size of a standard cargo shipping container? What, then the sides fold out? Then what? You let me know what you want and I’ll figure out how to implement it. As I wrote above, what tiny scrap of creativity I might be said to possess is not in thinking up things to make but in figuring out how to make them. Even learning I have to have some concrete goal towards which to work. Anim8or has some really powerful modelling tools which I cannot use because I just do not see how I might use them. Also the manual doesn’t always give concrete examples and procedures how to use the tools. Having to feel my way here. Also my first “solution” to any problem tends to be what an engineer with whom I once worked called QUAD – Quick Ugly And Dirty. It’s like I have this pressure in my skull to produce a solution, any solution. Once I relieve the pressure I can return to the problem and generally come up with a cleaner, more elegant solution. My first pass solutions are often uglier than homemade soap. But they work.
Anyhow, If all you need is some shipping containers, I can probably see how to hokey up something like that. One of my emails had info on scaling issues. Let me know. Also, please generate the 4 mannikins I need. It would save me a shitload of work becoming minimally competent in Daz Studio. However you ginned up that Miral figure last year would work fine. Anim8or easily imports and exports .obj files, THAT I can already do, no sweat. I tried to open a basic figure in Daz studio with an eye towards posing it and making my own mannikins and the results of my feeble attempts to pose the figure were hilarious. Wish I’d had some to capture my fumblings as a video.
What I was talking about was hard containers that could be carried by a Locust. One container could be a generator/HVAC plant, another could be a self-contained surgery, another an office… Things that could be dropped and put into operation immediately. Your inflatable huts would be great for things that wouldn’t be needed right away, like wards, barracks and dining halls.
Remember Miral talking about walking a battlefield full of wounded? Imagine the possibility of a hard surgical theater set down in the middle of that, doctors and nurses already inside and ready for their first patient seconds after it was on the ground, with ordinary soldiers hooking up power and HVAC as the first patient was being carried in, inflatable ward ready and staffed as soon as the first patient was carried out of the operating theater.
A medic’s dream.
Email sent, also.
Okay. So you’re talking about some honking big prefab modules. Got a general preference for rough size of the individual modules? At first, I was thinking something the size of a standard shipping container or even pallet sized things. Just gotta have some guidance so I can direct my learning processes. I can already “see” how to make a corrugated shipping container or even a big steel box that size. Sounds like you’re wanting complete modules that can be landed, hooked up and turned on. Is that it? I’ll do some noodling and post some screen shots on DA. Now if I could only figure out how to set up my DA page to upload that nice icon .png you sent me and set up galleries. The FAQ’s don’t tell ME shit about doing that. To me the FAQ answers are more like “This is what you can do.” as opposed to “This is how you do such-and-such.” Doubtless somebody in their 20s and 30s would get it. I left my 20s and 30s behind over 30 years ago. Maybe I’ll look up Deviant Art on youtube and see if there are tutorials for the youth-impared there. {sigh} just one more damned thing I gotta ramp up on.
The same size as the module that comes with the Locusts. I can’t remember the DAZ name for that vehicle, though. Hang on… Oh, yeah: https://www.daz3d.com/gryphon-cargo-carrier
You can probably use the existing module, just modified for vent and power hookups, maybe side doors for modular hookups, etc.
It’s certainly big enough for a surgery or an office.
Judging from the people in the pix that looks like it is essentially the same size as a 20ft ISO shipping container (standard lengths are 20 and 40 ft). Unfortunately (for me) the containers have rounded edges and corners. Square (or at least beveled) is easier to model. I was hoping to be able to have 40′ containers. Would make for some more open spaces. Have to cogitate on that a bit. The pix there don’t show what’s inside so there’s still some wiggle room. Could probably fake a lot of the surface detail with bump maps. Might be able to get away with beveling the corners and edges. Round things can be a real dick biter. At least at my current level of understanding/proficiency. This afternoon I am trying to make a truck tire that doesn’t look like something off a plastic toy from the dollar store.
PC, I figure that the quickest way to handle this would be conex boxes within inflatable bladders, (similar to the Bigalow inflatable modules) inside for modules that need to be pressurized or isolated for medical purposes…
ok.. as one who worked out of a “shipping container” during Dessert Storm.. you would get ONE operating theater per container… so you want to remake the , Medical Unit Self-Contained Transportable (MUST) units.. so. what you want would be 2 or 3 boxes for right now patients (red) until the “must” is set up…
useless info Mom was M.A.S.H. nurse in Vietnam . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLOuDWepCNU
PC, check your email. Also, here is the site where I found the modular building I’m considering modelling or at least I will use as a conceptual basis. https://dvm.vn/nha-di-do-ng-container-1
At the risk of getting something started I won’t participate in, I just want to say, I’m using this to troll liberals: https://xkcd.com/2383/
Because I add afterwards “No former president has ever been elected having never carried the popular vote. Just sayin'”
Cleveland always had the popular vote, even in the election he lost.
Point taken, Jochi. We are completely and utterly in uncharted waters now (much as we have been since the Covid lockdown began but in a different way) because never in history have there been so very many red flags appearing indicating SOMEthing hinkey is going on. There are so very many red flags and they are all pointing the same general direction that nobody with two brain cells to rub together and a mind even APPROACHING the tiniest bit open can help but wonder if something massively fraudulent isn’t going on. The difference between mistake and malfeasance is that mistakes tend to go both ways. If there were simple counting or tabulating errors, they wouldn’t ALL be in Biden’s favor. If there were pole watchers being locked out for both sides that would be one thing but the people being locked out are consistently Republican observers. If the 2 a.m. ballot finds were legitimate then at least SOME of them would be for Trump. But they’re not! All of the hinkeyness brought to light so far has benefitted Biden. Statistically that is SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE. One comment I read looked at a single county (I forget the state) and complained that for what was being accused several people would have to have been “recruited”. But the mere concept of someone being “requited” implies a conspiracy. I have maintained FOR TWO DECADES NOW that one should never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by simple flocking behavior. The sorts of anomalies popping up do not even require some sort of direction from the DNC. All that is needed is for true believers who are totally committed to a Biden win – IRRESPECTIVE OF MEANS – doing what they see as being their part. If you abandon all concept of acceptable conduct and adopt a total “ends justify means” ethos then there is no need to cry “conspiracy”. The very fact that the anomalies fall into multiple categories would mitigate against any sort of centralized control.
Again: Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by simple flocking behavior. BTW, anyone reading this and wishing to echo what I said is welcome to do so but please give me credit. Call it “Mullins’ Law #2”. Mullins Law #1 is “Nothing is impossible (or even difficult) to the one who does not have to do it.”
My guess? Not so much an organized attempt at voter fraud but more a localized attempt in many locations to foul up the works by using a variety of fraudulent ways to skew the vote… I’m even getting the impression some of the more moderate on the left think something hinky is going on…
This is what our M.U.S.T hospital set looked like when I was with the 410th Evac Hospital. http://the45thsurg.freeservers.com/SMmust_inside.jpg
Taken down, it all fit into a MILVAN, about an 18-wheeler trailer.
I really grew to hate the puke-green interior color . . . .
I’ve seen inflatable buildings of that sort, and could fairly easily implement it if PC wants one. I’ve spent this morning trying to model a standard shipping container. I also sent PC an email with some pics form the Viet Namese website I linked above. I actually think modelling something like that would be fairly simple. Modelling an inflatable such as is pictured in your jpeg is a bit more involved. So far I am not having a whole lot of luck figuring out how to bend a cylinder to turn it into an arch such as is pictured. I have have been looking at inflatable buildings online and have also seen ones with the supporting arches several feet apart with longitudinal members bracing them. I even did a rough study of one of those. I need to know what PC wants in order to direct my learning in Anim8or. Unfortunately the “old dog, new tricks” principle applies here. You CA N teach an old dog new tricks but you have to work a WHOLE LOT HARDER to do so.
Oh and I know about milvans. Many’s the time I put mobilizers onto a radio van and hauled it down the road practicing convoy duty. I’ve also loaded them into the front of a 747 cargo plane using a multi-ton forklift based on an articulated tractor chassis.
Clint, apparently Airliners.net doesn’t allow hot linking but I was able to see the photo by copying the link and pasting it into a new browser tab. Looks like a photo of a Sikorski Skycrane with some sort of cargo container hung under it. PC game ve a link to the actual transporter model he wants new modules for. Personally, I do not see why he doesn’t just use the modules that came with the thing and let me try to build the things that come OUT of the modules. I spent a good part of the morning trying to make a box with rounded corners. Anything rounded or curvy in a 3D model is actually problematic. In reality everything is composed of lots and lots of flat planes with the surface altered to look curved. I’m working on it. Shed load of stuff to learn. I just emailed him 2 file types of a box that should be 9’x9’x20′. Need to see how that renders out in Daz Studio along side of his other models. If he can accept something with nice crisp edges I can get him his own Wolf Empire shipping containers. First hurdle is getting the scale correct. The one I sent him today is either okay or 12 times too big. We’ll see.
What I know about 3D modeling would fit on the pointy end of a straight pin. Sounds painful to me. The cargo container was one of the original ideas behind the ch-54 Tarhe which is now the Ericsson S-64 Skycrain
Well, this ought to be an interesting conversation..
Geeze, I HOPE that this doesn’t go the same way as the LAST fight the Imperial Pentas had… There was practically no-one left to talk TO!
unless rainbow dark (last panel) does some thing ,, then there will be one left…
I figure that unless one of the males pulls a knife whatever happens will be less than lethal – PAINFUL but less than lethal. I suspect Rendel is well schooled in unarmed combat and I KNOW Mala is. Those assholes don’t know it just yet but they have Mala and Rendel right where Mala wants them. Almost feel sorry for them.
Almost…
John, what PC asked me about in an email was portable BUILDINGS to use as hospitals and mechanic shops, etc. in the field. My last duty station way back in ’83, was in a Tactical Air Control Center Squadron and we had inflatable buildings to provide office/work space for all the officers in a TACCS to work in. It was something akin to an inflatable quonset hut. He needs something a WHOLE lot larger than a tent. The problem with me doing CGI is I am not creative – at least not in the sense of dreaming up neat things to make. At my core I am an engineer, i.e. a problem solver. My “creativity” such as it is and minimal though it surely is, like in the direction of solutions to problems. In this case if I know what PC would like to have in the way of props, vehicles and buildings I can likely figure out a way to make it in a 3D modeler. What I put up on Deviant art yesterday was very much early visual prototypes for view and comment. I’ve been looking at large inflatable structures on line with an eye towards finding something (or elements of something) I like.
Bill, I would guess the quickest, (other than inflatable) would be a series of interlocking modular containers, (like the ones used on container ships) that can be stacked, placed parallel, etc.
As this is pretty much a standard today, modifying the design tone air tight, insulated with an environmental control system,isn’t much of a stretch. Ie Conex Boxes on steroids…
PC, I read your comment on DA. The ridges are inflatable. So what you are looking for is something like the size of a standard cargo shipping container? What, then the sides fold out? Then what? You let me know what you want and I’ll figure out how to implement it. As I wrote above, what tiny scrap of creativity I might be said to possess is not in thinking up things to make but in figuring out how to make them. Even learning I have to have some concrete goal towards which to work. Anim8or has some really powerful modelling tools which I cannot use because I just do not see how I might use them. Also the manual doesn’t always give concrete examples and procedures how to use the tools. Having to feel my way here. Also my first “solution” to any problem tends to be what an engineer with whom I once worked called QUAD – Quick Ugly And Dirty. It’s like I have this pressure in my skull to produce a solution, any solution. Once I relieve the pressure I can return to the problem and generally come up with a cleaner, more elegant solution. My first pass solutions are often uglier than homemade soap. But they work.
Anyhow, If all you need is some shipping containers, I can probably see how to hokey up something like that. One of my emails had info on scaling issues. Let me know. Also, please generate the 4 mannikins I need. It would save me a shitload of work becoming minimally competent in Daz Studio. However you ginned up that Miral figure last year would work fine. Anim8or easily imports and exports .obj files, THAT I can already do, no sweat. I tried to open a basic figure in Daz studio with an eye towards posing it and making my own mannikins and the results of my feeble attempts to pose the figure were hilarious. Wish I’d had some to capture my fumblings as a video.
What I was talking about was hard containers that could be carried by a Locust. One container could be a generator/HVAC plant, another could be a self-contained surgery, another an office… Things that could be dropped and put into operation immediately. Your inflatable huts would be great for things that wouldn’t be needed right away, like wards, barracks and dining halls.
Remember Miral talking about walking a battlefield full of wounded? Imagine the possibility of a hard surgical theater set down in the middle of that, doctors and nurses already inside and ready for their first patient seconds after it was on the ground, with ordinary soldiers hooking up power and HVAC as the first patient was being carried in, inflatable ward ready and staffed as soon as the first patient was carried out of the operating theater.
A medic’s dream.
Email sent, also.
Okay. So you’re talking about some honking big prefab modules. Got a general preference for rough size of the individual modules? At first, I was thinking something the size of a standard shipping container or even pallet sized things. Just gotta have some guidance so I can direct my learning processes. I can already “see” how to make a corrugated shipping container or even a big steel box that size. Sounds like you’re wanting complete modules that can be landed, hooked up and turned on. Is that it? I’ll do some noodling and post some screen shots on DA. Now if I could only figure out how to set up my DA page to upload that nice icon .png you sent me and set up galleries. The FAQ’s don’t tell ME shit about doing that. To me the FAQ answers are more like “This is what you can do.” as opposed to “This is how you do such-and-such.” Doubtless somebody in their 20s and 30s would get it. I left my 20s and 30s behind over 30 years ago. Maybe I’ll look up Deviant Art on youtube and see if there are tutorials for the youth-impared there. {sigh} just one more damned thing I gotta ramp up on.
The same size as the module that comes with the Locusts. I can’t remember the DAZ name for that vehicle, though. Hang on… Oh, yeah:
https://www.daz3d.com/gryphon-cargo-carrier
You can probably use the existing module, just modified for vent and power hookups, maybe side doors for modular hookups, etc.
It’s certainly big enough for a surgery or an office.
Judging from the people in the pix that looks like it is essentially the same size as a 20ft ISO shipping container (standard lengths are 20 and 40 ft). Unfortunately (for me) the containers have rounded edges and corners. Square (or at least beveled) is easier to model. I was hoping to be able to have 40′ containers. Would make for some more open spaces. Have to cogitate on that a bit. The pix there don’t show what’s inside so there’s still some wiggle room. Could probably fake a lot of the surface detail with bump maps. Might be able to get away with beveling the corners and edges. Round things can be a real dick biter. At least at my current level of understanding/proficiency. This afternoon I am trying to make a truck tire that doesn’t look like something off a plastic toy from the dollar store.
PC, I figure that the quickest way to handle this would be conex boxes within inflatable bladders, (similar to the Bigalow inflatable modules) inside for modules that need to be pressurized or isolated for medical purposes…
Just my two millidragons worth…
ok.. as one who worked out of a “shipping container” during Dessert Storm.. you would get ONE operating theater per container… so you want to remake the , Medical Unit Self-Contained Transportable (MUST) units.. so. what you want would be 2 or 3 boxes for right now patients (red) until the “must” is set up…
useless info Mom was M.A.S.H. nurse in Vietnam .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLOuDWepCNU
PC, check your email. Also, here is the site where I found the modular building I’m considering modelling or at least I will use as a conceptual basis.
https://dvm.vn/nha-di-do-ng-container-1
At the risk of getting something started I won’t participate in, I just want to say, I’m using this to troll liberals:
https://xkcd.com/2383/
Because I add afterwards “No former president has ever been elected having never carried the popular vote. Just sayin'”
Cleveland always had the popular vote, even in the election he lost.
Point taken, Jochi. We are completely and utterly in uncharted waters now (much as we have been since the Covid lockdown began but in a different way) because never in history have there been so very many red flags appearing indicating SOMEthing hinkey is going on. There are so very many red flags and they are all pointing the same general direction that nobody with two brain cells to rub together and a mind even APPROACHING the tiniest bit open can help but wonder if something massively fraudulent isn’t going on. The difference between mistake and malfeasance is that mistakes tend to go both ways. If there were simple counting or tabulating errors, they wouldn’t ALL be in Biden’s favor. If there were pole watchers being locked out for both sides that would be one thing but the people being locked out are consistently Republican observers. If the 2 a.m. ballot finds were legitimate then at least SOME of them would be for Trump. But they’re not! All of the hinkeyness brought to light so far has benefitted Biden. Statistically that is SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE. One comment I read looked at a single county (I forget the state) and complained that for what was being accused several people would have to have been “recruited”. But the mere concept of someone being “requited” implies a conspiracy. I have maintained FOR TWO DECADES NOW that one should never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by simple flocking behavior. The sorts of anomalies popping up do not even require some sort of direction from the DNC. All that is needed is for true believers who are totally committed to a Biden win – IRRESPECTIVE OF MEANS – doing what they see as being their part. If you abandon all concept of acceptable conduct and adopt a total “ends justify means” ethos then there is no need to cry “conspiracy”. The very fact that the anomalies fall into multiple categories would mitigate against any sort of centralized control.
Again: Never attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by simple flocking behavior. BTW, anyone reading this and wishing to echo what I said is welcome to do so but please give me credit. Call it “Mullins’ Law #2”. Mullins Law #1 is “Nothing is impossible (or even difficult) to the one who does not have to do it.”
My guess? Not so much an organized attempt at voter fraud but more a localized attempt in many locations to foul up the works by using a variety of fraudulent ways to skew the vote… I’m even getting the impression some of the more moderate on the left think something hinky is going on…
This is what our M.U.S.T hospital set looked like when I was with the 410th Evac Hospital.
http://the45thsurg.freeservers.com/SMmust_inside.jpg
Taken down, it all fit into a MILVAN, about an 18-wheeler trailer.
I really grew to hate the puke-green interior color . . . .
I’ve seen inflatable buildings of that sort, and could fairly easily implement it if PC wants one. I’ve spent this morning trying to model a standard shipping container. I also sent PC an email with some pics form the Viet Namese website I linked above. I actually think modelling something like that would be fairly simple. Modelling an inflatable such as is pictured in your jpeg is a bit more involved. So far I am not having a whole lot of luck figuring out how to bend a cylinder to turn it into an arch such as is pictured. I have have been looking at inflatable buildings online and have also seen ones with the supporting arches several feet apart with longitudinal members bracing them. I even did a rough study of one of those. I need to know what PC wants in order to direct my learning in Anim8or. Unfortunately the “old dog, new tricks” principle applies here. You CA N teach an old dog new tricks but you have to work a WHOLE LOT HARDER to do so.
Oh and I know about milvans. Many’s the time I put mobilizers onto a radio van and hauled it down the road practicing convoy duty. I’ve also loaded them into the front of a 747 cargo plane using a multi-ton forklift based on an articulated tractor chassis.
just as a thought https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/1/5/2166510.jpg?v=v40
Clint, apparently Airliners.net doesn’t allow hot linking but I was able to see the photo by copying the link and pasting it into a new browser tab. Looks like a photo of a Sikorski Skycrane with some sort of cargo container hung under it. PC game ve a link to the actual transporter model he wants new modules for. Personally, I do not see why he doesn’t just use the modules that came with the thing and let me try to build the things that come OUT of the modules. I spent a good part of the morning trying to make a box with rounded corners. Anything rounded or curvy in a 3D model is actually problematic. In reality everything is composed of lots and lots of flat planes with the surface altered to look curved. I’m working on it. Shed load of stuff to learn. I just emailed him 2 file types of a box that should be 9’x9’x20′. Need to see how that renders out in Daz Studio along side of his other models. If he can accept something with nice crisp edges I can get him his own Wolf Empire shipping containers. First hurdle is getting the scale correct. The one I sent him today is either okay or 12 times too big. We’ll see.
how bout this..??
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwLW7efJeZeU8qWFGBL7VaNvp38Uosj7VwGg&usqp=CAU
its a fold out shipping container house…
What I know about 3D modeling would fit on the pointy end of a straight pin. Sounds painful to me. The cargo container was one of the original ideas behind the ch-54 Tarhe which is now the Ericsson S-64 Skycrain