At Newsweek.com (the link to the fact that the border wall is the second largest GoFundMe of 2018) I posted the following reply to a typical libtard denigration of the wall project which included “if this go fund me raised enough to build this wall, what about maintenance, up keep, operating expenses, staff salaries benefits, etc…… How does this occur w/o a mid to long term budget in place? Where does that money come from? BTW: There aren’t any ‘illegals’ on the boards of big pharma (oxy, fentanyl,…..) tobacco and alcohol companies whose “products” cause innumerable death and suffering.”:
“Is it alright with you if some of us believe that people who immigrate to the U.S. contrary to existing immigration law and regulations [notice I didn’t use the word ‘illegal’] represent a greater threat to our national security than “big pharma” and choose to provide genuine grass-roots support for something we believe will actually help? Regarding maintenance etc.; why don’t we work on solutions for those “problems” after the wall is in process of becoming? Rather than try to solve all the possible problems up front (which can often cause one to become overwhelmed with the magnitude of the task and give up) is it alright with you if some of us take an incremental approach? The great Chinese Philosopher Lao Tzu wrote, “The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.”. Likewise there is a saying popularized by Evangelist Robert Schuler that goes ” “inch by inch, anything’s a cinch”. As an Engineering Technician I was taught to break things down into smaller tasks, solve the problems I could immediately and assume that a solution to the other problems will present itself.”
The Lir would have long since built it; Built it Damned strong; and not given a damn about the cost. They would consider liberal arguments to be a challenge and one easily met at that.
The border wall as designed is a stopgap measure at best. Want to put a REAL
dent in illegal immigration, HAMMER the companies that hire illegal immigrants.
Won’t be crossing the border for jobs if there are no jobs for them because it
costs way too much in legal fines when the companies that hired them get busted.
Of course, construction, cleaning, gardening and agricultural prices will go up,
since business will have to start paying wages that legal immigrants and American
citizens will actually work for, but hey, that’s the cost of effective immigration
control.
Make them self-deporting.
Anyone who is here illegally must apply for permission to be here.
You must apply on your own country. You have ninety days, but you will be first in line to enter.
But only the ones we want will get permission.
Anyone caught here after ninety days will be expelled, and never allowed to return.
Anyone entering illegally after ninety days will be imprisoned for one year, then expelled.
The penalties get worse for subsequent illegal crossings.
People smugglers and contraband mules get the death penalty with one appeal.
This is an invasion, and war is hell.
Whatever the maintenance cost would be would be far less than what not having the wall is costing us now.
Welfare, medical, infectious disease control, law enforcement, funeral expenses for our citizens, prison
costs for the illegals…
Build the barricade. Use prison labor to maintain it, specifically illegal aliens incarcerated in this country for felonies. Put the prisoners under the control of the border patrol.
Or contract the maintenance to private businesses. That’s always less expensive than government labor.
I expected us to be talking about fictional “immigration” within a fictional empire. Instead, we’re talking about the real world. So be it. I am far less of a single mind on this than most of you, and I’ll explain why.
First, I have said multiple times in face-to-face discussions, walls don’t stop people. Guns do. Walls slow them down enough for the guns to work. Walls show them where the guns will become an issue for them. If that weren’t true, no prison would require guards. Let’s at least admit that any hypothetical wall, stone or steel or concertina wire, will have to be manned.
To the people who say you can’t build such a wall or fence all the way across a continent, the Russians (sorry, I meant the SOVIETS and the Warsaw Pact) did. The Berlin Wall was concrete, the rest of the Iron Curtain was various fences, mostly concertina wire, and it was backed by machine guns. They were keeping people IN, not OUT, but it’s the same idea. That’s not necessarily labeling it good or evil, let’s all just be honest about what we’re talking about. Both the Mongols and the Manchus conquered China in spite of their Wall, before China absorbed them. China won in the end, but not because of their Wall.
5.7 billion dollars is less than the government wastes monthly, maybe weekly. At this point, I’d rather see the stupid wall built (and a good faith effort made to USE and enforce it) than continue as we are. If it’s part of a true comprehensive rework of immigration laws that actually fixes most of the worst problems (all the problems is probably too much to hope for) so much the better, but build it to test the concept. And let it be Trump’s legacy whether it works or fails. But remember, Reagan caved on a promise that such a comprehensive rework would be reached soonest, and nothing was ever done. And as a result everyone in this country (citizens, legal residents AND illegals) and many of those south of us, suffered, except for the fat cats that either profited from cheap laborers that dared not protest, or from playing their voters’ emotions against the demonized. BOTH sides. Republicans and Democrats. BOTH use the fact that this is not settled to ensure their re-election. It is disgusting. And it’s why it hasn’t been fixed.
I fully agree that a sovereign nation has to enforce its laws or quit pretending to have them. If the laws are ‘immoral’, however you define that, CHANGE THEM. Power is obligation, the Empire says. This is not wrong.
Well, son-of-a-gun:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/01/04/buy-a-brick-build-the-wall-bill-n2538498
It’s happening. Maybe.
At Newsweek.com (the link to the fact that the border wall is the second largest GoFundMe of 2018) I posted the following reply to a typical libtard denigration of the wall project which included “if this go fund me raised enough to build this wall, what about maintenance, up keep, operating expenses, staff salaries benefits, etc…… How does this occur w/o a mid to long term budget in place? Where does that money come from? BTW: There aren’t any ‘illegals’ on the boards of big pharma (oxy, fentanyl,…..) tobacco and alcohol companies whose “products” cause innumerable death and suffering.”:
“Is it alright with you if some of us believe that people who immigrate to the U.S. contrary to existing immigration law and regulations [notice I didn’t use the word ‘illegal’] represent a greater threat to our national security than “big pharma” and choose to provide genuine grass-roots support for something we believe will actually help? Regarding maintenance etc.; why don’t we work on solutions for those “problems” after the wall is in process of becoming? Rather than try to solve all the possible problems up front (which can often cause one to become overwhelmed with the magnitude of the task and give up) is it alright with you if some of us take an incremental approach? The great Chinese Philosopher Lao Tzu wrote, “The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.”. Likewise there is a saying popularized by Evangelist Robert Schuler that goes ” “inch by inch, anything’s a cinch”. As an Engineering Technician I was taught to break things down into smaller tasks, solve the problems I could immediately and assume that a solution to the other problems will present itself.”
When some people don’t want something, they claim the opposite –
It must be a “comprehensive” solution, which means that
nothing will be done.
The Lir would have long since built it; Built it Damned strong; and not given a damn about the cost. They would consider liberal arguments to be a challenge and one easily met at that.
Oh, it’s easy to meet the challenge. It’s just difficult to prevail when they are using emotions
to rule over the logical amongst us.
The border wall as designed is a stopgap measure at best. Want to put a REAL
dent in illegal immigration, HAMMER the companies that hire illegal immigrants.
Won’t be crossing the border for jobs if there are no jobs for them because it
costs way too much in legal fines when the companies that hired them get busted.
Of course, construction, cleaning, gardening and agricultural prices will go up,
since business will have to start paying wages that legal immigrants and American
citizens will actually work for, but hey, that’s the cost of effective immigration
control.
Make them self-deporting.
Anyone who is here illegally must apply for permission to be here.
You must apply on your own country. You have ninety days, but you will be first in line to enter.
But only the ones we want will get permission.
Anyone caught here after ninety days will be expelled, and never allowed to return.
Anyone entering illegally after ninety days will be imprisoned for one year, then expelled.
The penalties get worse for subsequent illegal crossings.
People smugglers and contraband mules get the death penalty with one appeal.
This is an invasion, and war is hell.
Whatever the maintenance cost would be would be far less than what not having the wall is costing us now.
Welfare, medical, infectious disease control, law enforcement, funeral expenses for our citizens, prison
costs for the illegals…
Build the barricade. Use prison labor to maintain it, specifically illegal aliens incarcerated in this country for felonies. Put the prisoners under the control of the border patrol.
Or contract the maintenance to private businesses. That’s always less expensive than government labor.
I expected us to be talking about fictional “immigration” within a fictional empire. Instead, we’re talking about the real world. So be it. I am far less of a single mind on this than most of you, and I’ll explain why.
First, I have said multiple times in face-to-face discussions, walls don’t stop people. Guns do. Walls slow them down enough for the guns to work. Walls show them where the guns will become an issue for them. If that weren’t true, no prison would require guards. Let’s at least admit that any hypothetical wall, stone or steel or concertina wire, will have to be manned.
To the people who say you can’t build such a wall or fence all the way across a continent, the Russians (sorry, I meant the SOVIETS and the Warsaw Pact) did. The Berlin Wall was concrete, the rest of the Iron Curtain was various fences, mostly concertina wire, and it was backed by machine guns. They were keeping people IN, not OUT, but it’s the same idea. That’s not necessarily labeling it good or evil, let’s all just be honest about what we’re talking about. Both the Mongols and the Manchus conquered China in spite of their Wall, before China absorbed them. China won in the end, but not because of their Wall.
5.7 billion dollars is less than the government wastes monthly, maybe weekly. At this point, I’d rather see the stupid wall built (and a good faith effort made to USE and enforce it) than continue as we are. If it’s part of a true comprehensive rework of immigration laws that actually fixes most of the worst problems (all the problems is probably too much to hope for) so much the better, but build it to test the concept. And let it be Trump’s legacy whether it works or fails. But remember, Reagan caved on a promise that such a comprehensive rework would be reached soonest, and nothing was ever done. And as a result everyone in this country (citizens, legal residents AND illegals) and many of those south of us, suffered, except for the fat cats that either profited from cheap laborers that dared not protest, or from playing their voters’ emotions against the demonized. BOTH sides. Republicans and Democrats. BOTH use the fact that this is not settled to ensure their re-election. It is disgusting. And it’s why it hasn’t been fixed.
I fully agree that a sovereign nation has to enforce its laws or quit pretending to have them. If the laws are ‘immoral’, however you define that, CHANGE THEM. Power is obligation, the Empire says. This is not wrong.
Better than what I said. Certainly more authoritative:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ex-iraq-war-vet-the-truth-about-what-border-walls-can-and-cannot-accomplish