Heh, I remember THOSE days… The dreaded report card.
Hang in there kid, do your papaw proud.
THE DRIVES ARE SHIP SIZED?? No WONDER! What’s the
point? Slap weapons on a drive with an AI and send it on
it’s way! Jeez… (the song “dumb ways to die” starts playing)
Scrape out ideas from that design and scrap them, death
flyin’ there. At least we know why they only had capital
ships in that fleet.
True, and the old TOS constellation class was 0ver 300 yards long,
but that is still WAY bigger than anything that the Empire uses.
I’m hoping between the Empire’s mind trust (with a little help
from the Elves) can fix that massive size required. Never mind the
power plant size… It’s sounding more and more like the “Warp
bubble” type. And the matter/anti-matter engines.
I had seen a picture placing 3 football fields next to the TOS Enterprise,
I just couldn’t remember the actual measurements.
Plus the size changed due to plot convenience.
Like the TNG ship, they couldn’t decide if it had 23 or 28 decks.
TOS barely had room for 2 shuttles,
but the first movie it looked like a carrier under the flight deck.
There is of course the possibility of building even larger ships. I’m
thinking about a carrier for frigates, destroyers and smaller ships.
That would also give them longer operation times in deep space.
Essentially it would be a mobile fleet base or transporting a small
battlegroup.
A modified super-freighter would work, in an expanded form.
You could transport an entire fleet like that, cover any usable
spot with defensive weapons with a few backup Toby’s and such.
It would make exploring safer too, instead of a single LRS
running into trouble alone.
They are getting closer to true AI, this is freaky news. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w3-741XI_Uo
None of any computer system today can do what the
human mind can do, think a thousand ways at once.
This is scary because this new chip is 1000 times better
than anything created to date, the only down side
is the cooling system the video mentions, it’s hardly
portable.
When he said “More than 40 times colder than interstellar space”
I knew it was going to be high in bullshit.
Interstellar space is a vacuum, it has no temperature.
jus sayin… yes and no…
You can stick a thermometer in space, and if it is a super-high-tech one,
it might show you the temperature of the gas.
But since the interstellar medium (ISM) is so dilute,
a normal thermometer will radiate energy away faster than it can absorb it,
and thus it won’t reach thermal equilibrium with the gas.
It won’t cool all the way to 0 K, though,
since the cosmic microwave background radiation won’t allow it to cool
further than 2.7 K, as described by David Hammen.
hence the “yes and no”… – yes, there is no temp in vacuum,.
– no, why does every thing freeze in a vacuum.?
because of thermal equilibrium,. and like color (we don’t see
color. we “see” the absence of color reflected (absorbed).
since we can’t measure vacuum, we measure what we can.
color – my artist roommate would argue this,.!
no matter what any say.! we only see in 5 colors!!!
red, blue, yellow/green. and black and white.
ANY thing after that is combining these colors.!
No it doesn’t, but like on the moon, they found temps
from 240c in the sun light and -114 in the shade. I think
it’s being “dumbed down” for those who don’t know
any better. -273 Kelvin is the point of absolute 0, but I
have to look up what a Kelvin is. I, like most people, don’t
use it, so it’s hard to remember. I watched a similar
video a while back, they used terms that were more technical
but harder to understand. In that video, they said it’s as
close to absolute 0 that we have had to date, but it’s still
not there. My point is, it’s the same issue as the super
conductors, no practical way to use it in every day life.
They’ve been trying to solve that for decades too. I was
just saying is they have a direction now, 1 million qubits
is WAY faster than anything else to date.
Scars, Kelvin is just Celsius degrees but starting at
absolute zero. That way you get 0°C (32°F) at 273°K
and 0°K at -273°C (-459.67°F). Celcius degrees and
Kelvin degrees represent the same change in energy.
I’m getting old, I can’t remember WHERE I’ve seen this solved
recently, but someone did, by having DETACHABLE FTL setups
a smaller ship would attach to, like a ring that fit around it, use it
to warp to their destination, and then park it until the next leg
or the return trip.
The only thing I remember is when they detached the saucer from the rest of the Enterprise
and crash landed it on a planet.
I don’t think I’ve seen any other examples.
The only reason they did that in TNG was for the flashiness of it,
the claim it was to protect the families on board was stupid since
the saucer section had no warp drive. Even if escaped, they were
light years away from safe harbor. Plus the major phasers were
on the saucer section, but the torpedoes were on the engineering
section, halving both sections offensive ability. Neither the Enterprise
E and F mentioned it, while Memory Alpha claimed they had it.
I could see detachable FTL drives for long range scouting, but
worthless in combat, if I was fighting a fleet of frigates, and they
dropped them to fight, they’d be my first target.
Sadly they never thought that idea through, not even afterwards.
Even flawed as it was, they could have done so much with the concept
as it was.
For example, you could simply change saucer sections to use one
without civilians and more weapons systems. Or use the stardrive
section to transport specifically build saucer sections. For example
small orbital outposts to colony ground bases.
Two stardrive sections could transport a colony ground base with
all the colonists and machinery to expand, while also leaving an
orbital station for some defense and if there is an emergency on
the ground.
The funny thing is, the Enterprise D was so massive that the entire
crew could stand on the top of the saucer just in front of the bridge
and you’d have to zoom in a bit to see them. There was 1,000
crew and their families, but there was enough space on that ship
that it could carry 10,000 and the fab machines to build homes, wells,
farm buildings, you name it. TNG had full sized factory replicators,
cranking out sheets and shuttles alike. All they’d need to carry is
one, and the parts to build more on the planet. But your idea would
be great to transport stations to an area much faster than the
positioning systems the stations might have on board.
back in TOS, the saucer had landing gear,. even the refit had gear…
they planned on using, just never did. as it was supposed to be one and done!
useless info.: TNG the saucer was on planet a week before rescue,.
and a little over a year before recovered…
I read a few books that said the old consultation class saucers were built on
the ground and flown up to the ship yards to be connected, but I suspect
that idea died. In the Kelvin ST the Enterprise A was built in one piece.
TOS was very low budgeted so we would have never seen anything that
fantastic.
This takes me back to 1973 when Nixon decided he’d prove the USA was
better in every way to USSR, the scores weren’t as good as expected
then as well. So instead of fixing the issue, they fudged the tests making
it easier for the average joe to pass it. That same test had me at near
genius level at 13, while a later re-vetting test I took at 17 had me
slightly better than average.
Public schools were failing long before Covid, the lockdowns accelerated the failure.
Even though the lockdowns have ended, schools are still getting worse.
Here in Oklahoma, our exalted State Superintendent, who has
tried to set up a state-funded Catholic school and tried to funnel
education dollars into Trump’s pockets by mandating a “Bible in
every classroom” with conditions on the item chosen that were
filled ONLY by those Bibles Trump was selling, has a solution for
the state slipping from 49th to 50th place in the country under
his enlightened guidance, ending standardized testing, so we
can’t be compared with the rest of the country.
If the State is going to fund education, I have no problem funding all education,
as long as it meets or exceeds some standard. Including tax rebates for people
who homeschool.
I attended a Catholic school for two years, and it was a challenge – but when I
returned to public schools, it was a cake walk, it was so easy…
I have a different take on the Motha ships’ uber massive
FTL gear. 1) I don’t see the pointy headed, armored folks
as being core worlders. I think they are interlopers
whose ultimate aim is an empire including all races raised
to sapience by the elders. 2) I believe the pointy-heads
were the ones who originally developed the FTL tech-
nology the core-worlders utilize. But that they only taught
the core-worlders – Lopes, Batoss and Hammer Heads –
enough to be able to build the FTL engines. (Probably
so they would have an advantage when it actually came
time to actually conquer them.) 3) I believe what the
Dogshuan scientists discovered was that the FTL pods
are entirely scalable. They’re still pretty massive but
smaller ships can be made independently FTL cap-
able. Even so I think Dreamfox’s idea has merit. It
just means the Empire will have to adjust its tactics
somewhat. The carrier craft would be too big to use
wormholes and so would perforce be dependent on
the FTL tech for inter-system travel.
I agree with you Bill, the beetle-looking guys do come off as
the warrior type, building massive ships with FTL just makes
sense to them. The issue with FTL is as much a power one as
anything, big drives running on just enough power to work vs
high-powered ones with less mass. I don’t know, giving the
info we have so far, LRS ships may not be able to use them,
but frigates and up might.
I know, that’s what I meant, The Empire has no such limit.
I seriously doubt anyone else has thought of a self-generating
power supply that also allows interplanetary travel at speeds
unheard of before. Much less being radiation free as well.
And who knows, the Elves may have even better grav drives
than the Empire! That’s iffy, the likelihood of someone else
making the same double goof that resulted in the first gravity
bomb and sparked an Empire…
Yeah I heard about that, and each one demanded soul royalties.
It was nuts and drove the courts crazy. I looked into it myself
after learning that Einstein was a patent clerk for a short time.
The one thing I wonder about is how much energy each
drive can produce, and what they did with the gravity
beams they give off. A anti-grav coated room would
contain it, but I’d hope they shut it all down before a
maintenance man went in for repairs. It’d make a huge
mess if a squishy went in while it was running… 😉
Here’s a thought, each generator drive had it’s own cover,
that way the output was contained. Plus that would allow
coolant to be ran in the room to keep the drives cool during
operation, to be drained off into a tank for R&R.
(repair and replace)
This pictures me a room, 3x10x10 meters in size, racks
spaced in the room with generator drives bolted into the
racks, dripping with coolant, the tech reads the repair
order, walks to each station, pulling a wheeled cart
behind him with replacements and tools in it. definitely
a station repair, the ship would be powerless during
the repairs. The only energy being created would be
from the external drives.
The moment of truth.
Heh, I remember THOSE days… The dreaded report card.
Hang in there kid, do your papaw proud.
THE DRIVES ARE SHIP SIZED?? No WONDER! What’s the
point? Slap weapons on a drive with an AI and send it on
it’s way! Jeez… (the song “dumb ways to die” starts playing)
Scrape out ideas from that design and scrap them, death
flyin’ there. At least we know why they only had capital
ships in that fleet.
no no think Star Trek nacelles…
can handle up to a ship that size…
True, and the old TOS constellation class was 0ver 300 yards long,
but that is still WAY bigger than anything that the Empire uses.
I’m hoping between the Empire’s mind trust (with a little help
from the Elves) can fix that massive size required. Never mind the
power plant size… It’s sounding more and more like the “Warp
bubble” type. And the matter/anti-matter engines.
316 yards or 289 meters…
I had seen a picture placing 3 football fields next to the TOS Enterprise,
I just couldn’t remember the actual measurements.
Plus the size changed due to plot convenience.
Like the TNG ship, they couldn’t decide if it had 23 or 28 decks.
TOS barely had room for 2 shuttles,
but the first movie it looked like a carrier under the flight deck.
OH! Warp bubble is a shaped gravity bubble,
and no one else knows how to simulate gravity
like the Empire can…
There is of course the possibility of building even larger ships. I’m
thinking about a carrier for frigates, destroyers and smaller ships.
That would also give them longer operation times in deep space.
Essentially it would be a mobile fleet base or transporting a small
battlegroup.
Excellent idea.
A modified super-freighter would work, in an expanded form.
You could transport an entire fleet like that, cover any usable
spot with defensive weapons with a few backup Toby’s and such.
It would make exploring safer too, instead of a single LRS
running into trouble alone.
They are getting closer to true AI, this is freaky news.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w3-741XI_Uo
None of any computer system today can do what the
human mind can do, think a thousand ways at once.
This is scary because this new chip is 1000 times better
than anything created to date, the only down side
is the cooling system the video mentions, it’s hardly
portable.
When he said “More than 40 times colder than interstellar space”
I knew it was going to be high in bullshit.
Interstellar space is a vacuum, it has no temperature.
jus sayin… yes and no…
You can stick a thermometer in space, and if it is a super-high-tech one,
it might show you the temperature of the gas.
But since the interstellar medium (ISM) is so dilute,
a normal thermometer will radiate energy away faster than it can absorb it,
and thus it won’t reach thermal equilibrium with the gas.
It won’t cool all the way to 0 K, though,
since the cosmic microwave background radiation won’t allow it to cool
further than 2.7 K, as described by David Hammen.
Then you’re measuring the temperature of the thermometer,
not the space around it.
hence the “yes and no”… – yes, there is no temp in vacuum,.
– no, why does every thing freeze in a vacuum.?
because of thermal equilibrium,. and like color (we don’t see
color. we “see” the absence of color reflected (absorbed).
since we can’t measure vacuum, we measure what we can.
color – my artist roommate would argue this,.!
no matter what any say.! we only see in 5 colors!!!
red, blue, yellow/green. and black and white.
ANY thing after that is combining these colors.!
No it doesn’t, but like on the moon, they found temps
from 240c in the sun light and -114 in the shade. I think
it’s being “dumbed down” for those who don’t know
any better. -273 Kelvin is the point of absolute 0, but I
have to look up what a Kelvin is. I, like most people, don’t
use it, so it’s hard to remember. I watched a similar
video a while back, they used terms that were more technical
but harder to understand. In that video, they said it’s as
close to absolute 0 that we have had to date, but it’s still
not there. My point is, it’s the same issue as the super
conductors, no practical way to use it in every day life.
They’ve been trying to solve that for decades too. I was
just saying is they have a direction now, 1 million qubits
is WAY faster than anything else to date.
Scars, Kelvin is just Celsius degrees but starting at
absolute zero. That way you get 0°C (32°F) at 273°K
and 0°K at -273°C (-459.67°F). Celcius degrees and
Kelvin degrees represent the same change in energy.
I’m getting old, I can’t remember WHERE I’ve seen this solved
recently, but someone did, by having DETACHABLE FTL setups
a smaller ship would attach to, like a ring that fit around it, use it
to warp to their destination, and then park it until the next leg
or the return trip.
Star Wars..
https://i.sstatic.net/Hlr86.jpg
You’re right, that was it. I think I was watching one of the cartoons.
It was also use in SW the second prequel movie by Obe-wan
when he traveled to the cloning planet.
The first Star Trek movie as well, when Spock joined the
refit Enterprise after the wormhole situation.
no,, that was a “Warp Shuttle” . not a ring ship
The only thing I remember is when they detached the saucer from the rest of the Enterprise
and crash landed it on a planet.
I don’t think I’ve seen any other examples.
The only reason they did that in TNG was for the flashiness of it,
the claim it was to protect the families on board was stupid since
the saucer section had no warp drive. Even if escaped, they were
light years away from safe harbor. Plus the major phasers were
on the saucer section, but the torpedoes were on the engineering
section, halving both sections offensive ability. Neither the Enterprise
E and F mentioned it, while Memory Alpha claimed they had it.
I could see detachable FTL drives for long range scouting, but
worthless in combat, if I was fighting a fleet of frigates, and they
dropped them to fight, they’d be my first target.
Sadly they never thought that idea through, not even afterwards.
Even flawed as it was, they could have done so much with the concept
as it was.
For example, you could simply change saucer sections to use one
without civilians and more weapons systems. Or use the stardrive
section to transport specifically build saucer sections. For example
small orbital outposts to colony ground bases.
Two stardrive sections could transport a colony ground base with
all the colonists and machinery to expand, while also leaving an
orbital station for some defense and if there is an emergency on
the ground.
The funny thing is, the Enterprise D was so massive that the entire
crew could stand on the top of the saucer just in front of the bridge
and you’d have to zoom in a bit to see them. There was 1,000
crew and their families, but there was enough space on that ship
that it could carry 10,000 and the fab machines to build homes, wells,
farm buildings, you name it. TNG had full sized factory replicators,
cranking out sheets and shuttles alike. All they’d need to carry is
one, and the parts to build more on the planet. But your idea would
be great to transport stations to an area much faster than the
positioning systems the stations might have on board.
back in TOS, the saucer had landing gear,. even the refit had gear…
they planned on using, just never did. as it was supposed to be one and done!
useless info.: TNG the saucer was on planet a week before rescue,.
and a little over a year before recovered…
I read a few books that said the old consultation class saucers were built on
the ground and flown up to the ship yards to be connected, but I suspect
that idea died. In the Kelvin ST the Enterprise A was built in one piece.
TOS was very low budgeted so we would have never seen anything that
fantastic.
in the Kelvin TL, they changed the landing gear to loading bays…
Speaking of report cards:
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/09/09/nations-report-card-in-american-students-is-inand-boy-is-it-bad-n2193742
This takes me back to 1973 when Nixon decided he’d prove the USA was
better in every way to USSR, the scores weren’t as good as expected
then as well. So instead of fixing the issue, they fudged the tests making
it easier for the average joe to pass it. That same test had me at near
genius level at 13, while a later re-vetting test I took at 17 had me
slightly better than average.
That is the group affected by Covid shutdowns, for one thing.
Public schools were failing long before Covid, the lockdowns accelerated the failure.
Even though the lockdowns have ended, schools are still getting worse.
Here in Oklahoma, our exalted State Superintendent, who has
tried to set up a state-funded Catholic school and tried to funnel
education dollars into Trump’s pockets by mandating a “Bible in
every classroom” with conditions on the item chosen that were
filled ONLY by those Bibles Trump was selling, has a solution for
the state slipping from 49th to 50th place in the country under
his enlightened guidance, ending standardized testing, so we
can’t be compared with the rest of the country.
If the State is going to fund education, I have no problem funding all education,
as long as it meets or exceeds some standard. Including tax rebates for people
who homeschool.
I attended a Catholic school for two years, and it was a challenge – but when I
returned to public schools, it was a cake walk, it was so easy…
Home school. It’s the only way now. Schools are so bad,
that they function as an inoculation against meaningful education.
Kitty! long time no see 🙂
I have a different take on the Motha ships’ uber massive
FTL gear. 1) I don’t see the pointy headed, armored folks
as being core worlders. I think they are interlopers
whose ultimate aim is an empire including all races raised
to sapience by the elders. 2) I believe the pointy-heads
were the ones who originally developed the FTL tech-
nology the core-worlders utilize. But that they only taught
the core-worlders – Lopes, Batoss and Hammer Heads –
enough to be able to build the FTL engines. (Probably
so they would have an advantage when it actually came
time to actually conquer them.) 3) I believe what the
Dogshuan scientists discovered was that the FTL pods
are entirely scalable. They’re still pretty massive but
smaller ships can be made independently FTL cap-
able. Even so I think Dreamfox’s idea has merit. It
just means the Empire will have to adjust its tactics
somewhat. The carrier craft would be too big to use
wormholes and so would perforce be dependent on
the FTL tech for inter-system travel.
I agree with you Bill, the beetle-looking guys do come off as
the warrior type, building massive ships with FTL just makes
sense to them. The issue with FTL is as much a power one as
anything, big drives running on just enough power to work vs
high-powered ones with less mass. I don’t know, giving the
info we have so far, LRS ships may not be able to use them,
but frigates and up might.
Scars, with the Empire’s grav tech power is no problem.
I know, that’s what I meant, The Empire has no such limit.
I seriously doubt anyone else has thought of a self-generating
power supply that also allows interplanetary travel at speeds
unheard of before. Much less being radiation free as well.
And who knows, the Elves may have even better grav drives
than the Empire! That’s iffy, the likelihood of someone else
making the same double goof that resulted in the first gravity
bomb and sparked an Empire…
do you know why we have patent office….
there have been dozens of times of different people have summitted
the same patent… the record is 3 people…
Yeah I heard about that, and each one demanded soul royalties.
It was nuts and drove the courts crazy. I looked into it myself
after learning that Einstein was a patent clerk for a short time.
The one thing I wonder about is how much energy each
drive can produce, and what they did with the gravity
beams they give off. A anti-grav coated room would
contain it, but I’d hope they shut it all down before a
maintenance man went in for repairs. It’d make a huge
mess if a squishy went in while it was running… 😉
Here’s a thought, each generator drive had it’s own cover,
that way the output was contained. Plus that would allow
coolant to be ran in the room to keep the drives cool during
operation, to be drained off into a tank for R&R.
(repair and replace)
This pictures me a room, 3x10x10 meters in size, racks
spaced in the room with generator drives bolted into the
racks, dripping with coolant, the tech reads the repair
order, walks to each station, pulling a wheeled cart
behind him with replacements and tools in it. definitely
a station repair, the ship would be powerless during
the repairs. The only energy being created would be
from the external drives.